The Reverse Flash vs the Guardians of the Galaxy...

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Then you need to phrase your sentences better. Because the way you typed it made it sound like a contradiction.

Cisco's tech (dampener cuffs) also countered 64th century tech (against Abra Kadabra). Being a smart guy from the future (or even having tech from the future) does not make you capable of doing everything. Thawne still needed Cisco to build a lot of stuff while he was pretending to be Harrison Wells.

I was arguing based on his standard powerset. It is not my job to make arguments for the other side about what Thawne would do otherwise. That's the job of people arguing in favour of him. Like Juggerman did (and I agreed with). And he did so while remaining completely civil, and without trying to belittle people.

Firstly, Groot is not just some tree. He is an alien being with tree-like characteristics, but it still took re-entry level temperature to damage him.

And again trying to misrepresent what I said? I never said there is nothing there that could potentially work. I said the burden of proof is on you to show it, as you made the claim.

And so what if he built the particle accelerator? He had help from people like Ronnie, Hartley and Cisco, and it took years to get it finished.

No, you were trying to give him lightning bolt throwing, even though he has never actually done it onscreen.

Cisco's cuff countering Abra Kadabra doesn't change the fact that Cisco's tech is more than 100 years behind what Eobard is used to...

So my point stands; Cisco's Heat Gun is ancient tech by Eobards standards...

Also, Eobard didn't need Cisco to do anything for him...

Eobard was masterminding a scheme to get back to his time, and that plan required people to think he was helpless when he was anything but helpless the entire time...

As for Groots protection feat, lets get the feat straight.

It was not against the heat of reentry (the ship was well within the planets atmosphere when it began to fall); the feat was as pertains the ship impacting the planets surface...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpTG-O8JlaQ

So yeah, Groot doesn't have any feat of withstanding the temperature of reentry...zero.

What we do know he that he is organic and wood; last I looked, that was a flammable combo...

For all we know, gasoline and a match would end Groot; as of this moment, there is no feat of Groots that would suggest otherwise...

Gas and a match is something Eobard can absolutely get his hands on given the fight parameters...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Cisco's cuff countering Abra Kadabra doesn't change the fact that Cisco's tech is more than 100 years behind what Eobard is used to...

So my point stands; Cisco's Heat Gun is ancient tech by Eobards standards...

The tech is over 4000 years older than what Abra Kadabra was used to, yet that didn't help him. Prove that it being older tech automatically means Eobard can replicate it.

Even in the real world, there are past inventions that even the smartest minds on the planet have been unable to replicate today.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Also, Eobard didn't need Cisco to do anything for him...

Eobard was masterminding a scheme to get back to his time, and that plan required people to think he was helpless when he was anything but helpless the entire time...

Prove that he could have built everything on his own. Hint, your personal speculation about his self-imposed limits is not proof.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

As for Groots protection feat, lets get the feat straight.

It was [b]not against the heat of reentry (the ship was well within the planets atmosphere when it began to fall); the feat was as pertains the ship impacting the planets surface...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpTG-O8JlaQ

So yeah, Groot doesn't have any feat of withstanding the temperature of reentry...zero.

What we do know he that he is organic and wood; last I looked, that was a flammable combo...

For all we know, gasoline and a match would end Groot; as of this moment, there is no feat of Groots that would suggest otherwise...

Gas and a match is something Eobard can absolutely get his hands on given the fight parameters... [/B]

So, to sum up, you are assuming that Eobard being a smart guy from the future automatically means he can replicate any of Cisco's tech, but are completely dismissing the fact that Groot is not actually an Earthling from how it might affect things compared to actual Earth-based lifeforms? Gotcha.

Oh, btw, for someone who acts like they are so much better clued in on things than the rest of us, you actually keep missing a much more obvious solution. I didn't want to say anything, because I wanted to see if you could "open your mind" and show some "creativity", yet you keep failing. Mercury Labs is in fact closer to downtown than StarLabs is, and contains weapons and tech than even StarLabs doesn't have. Admittedly, they might not have rebuilt everything yet, but RF knows Tina McGee, so could likely figure out a way to get access to her stuff regardless. He's forced her to do stuff for him before.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The tech is over 4000 years older than what Abra Kadabra was used to, yet that didn't help him. Prove that it being older tech automatically means Eobard can replicate it.

Even in the real world, there are past inventions that even the smartest minds on the planet have been unable to replicate today.

Prove that he could have built everything on his own. Hint, your personal speculation about his self-imposed limits is not proof.

So, to sum up, you are assuming that Eobard being a smart guy from the future automatically means he can replicate any of Cisco's tech, but are completely dismissing the fact that Groot is not actually an Earthling from how it might affect things compared to actual Earth-based lifeforms? Gotcha.

Oh, btw, for someone who acts like they are so much better clued in on things than the rest of us, you actually keep missing a much more obvious solution. I didn't want to say anything, because I wanted to see if you could "open your mind" and show some "creativity", yet you keep failing. Mercury Labs is in fact closer to downtown than StarLabs is, and contains weapons and tech than even StarLabs doesn't have.

So, give me some examples of 100 year old tech that the smartest minds on Earth today cant replicate...

Go ahead...I'll wait.

As for Groots durability, you are speculating that he wouldn't burn (and you were dead WRONG about it taking reentry heat to take down Groot)...

Well we know that he is organic and is made up of wood; that is fact...

Until you can provide evidence to counter that, wood burns when drenched in gasoline and a match is used to ignite it...

But none of this matters anyway; you agreed that Eobard defeats the Guardians of the Galaxy...

All hail the Speed Force!!

💃

🙂

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So, give me some examples of 100 year old tech that the smartest minds on Earth today cant replicate...

Go ahead...I'll wait.

Where did I say 100 years? I didn't. But there is tech that is decades old by now that people can't replicate. They might never be able to. And you are ignoring the actual point. Just because something is old, doesn't automatically mean any smart person can replicate it. Cisco builds things that are way ahead of virtually all other tech built in his era, and even builds things that straight-up defy logic (like the Alchemy gun). So, your argument for Thawne is nothing but a fallacious assumption.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As for Groots durability, you are speculating that he wouldn't burn (and you were dead WRONG about it taking reentry heat to take down Groot)...

Well we know that he is organic and is made up of wood; that is fact...

Until you can provide evidence to counter that, wood burns when drenched in gasoline and a match is used to ignite it...

There is no actual proof that Groot has the exact same composition as normal wood. So, you are speculating in that regard. While you are also speculating that Eobard can replicate tech simply by virtue of being a smart guy from the future.

Do you really want to do the "wrong" thing, considering you were wrong about the location of StarLabs, and about Thawne throwing lightning?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

But none of this matters anyway; you agreed that Eobard defeats the Guardians of the Galaxy...

All hail the Speed Force!!

💃

Ah, so this is what it comes down to. You didn't actually care about creating a competitive thread that resulted in a proper debate. You just wanted to make another thread where one of your favourite characters wins. It also explains the attitude the moment others didn't immediately jump on the bandwagon. I would say that I'm surprised, but I'm really not.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where did I say 100 years? I didn't. But there is tech that is decades old by now that people can't replicate. They might never be able to. And you are ignoring the actual point. Just because something is old, doesn't automatically mean any smart person can replicate it. Cisco builds things that are way ahead of virtually all other tech built in his era, and even builds things that straight-up defy logic (like the Alchemy gun). So, your argument for Thawne is nothing but a fallacious assumption.

There is no actual proof that Groot has the exact same composition as normal wood. So, you are speculating in that regard. While you are also speculating that Eobard can replicate tech simply by virtue of being a smart guy from the future.

Do you really want to do the "wrong" thing, considering you were wrong about the location of StarLabs, and about Thawne throwing lightning?

Ah, so this is what it comes down to. You didn't actually care about creating a competitive thread that resulted in a proper debate. You just wanted to make another thread where one of your favourite characters wins. It also explains the attitude the moment others didn't immediately jump on the bandwagon. I would say that I'm surprised, but I'm really not.

I initially stated that Eobard was used to tech that was more than 100 years ahead of Cisco's Heat Gun...

That is fact...

You then said the smartest minds blah, blah, blah...

That doesn't change the fact that Eobard is used of tech that is more than 100 years ahead of Cisco's...so my point still stands.

You cant prove anything either as pertains Groots durability...

We do know he is wood and is organic...

That's a fact...

Until we have a concrete reason to believe otherwise, Eobard can steal some gas, drench Groot in it, and burn him and Rocket alive...

🙂

And so...you consider Eobard Thawne vs the Guardians of the Galaxy to be a mismatch?

Do you believe that EeeOh-bard will do the following to Gamora?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I initially stated that Eobard was used to tech that was more than 100 years ahead of Cisco's Heat Gun...

That is fact...

You then said the smartest minds blah, blah, blah...

That doesn't change the fact that Eobard is used of tech that is more than 100 years ahead of Cisco's...so my point still stands.

So, you made an irrelevant point. Because being used to newer tech does not equate to being able to replicate any older tech. So, kudos, I guess.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

You cant prove anything either as pertains Groots durability...

We do know he is wood and is organic...

That's a fact...

Until we have a concrete reason to believe otherwise, Eobard can steal some gas, drench Groot in it, and burn him and Rocket alive...

🙂

Again, assuming he will react like an Earth wood because it looks similar, despite being an alien.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

And so...you consider Eobard Thawne vs the Guardians of the Galaxy to be a mismatch?

Never said that. I am saying that it's obvious that you made a thread that you thought would be an easy win for him. And I am not going to indulge your circle jerk any further. You can have fun tossing Eobard's salad all by yourself. For your sake, I just hope he wipes thoroughly.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, you made an irrelevant point. Because being used to newer tech does not equate to being able to replicate any older tech. So, kudos, I guess.

Again, assuming he will react like an Earth wood because it looks similar, despite being an alien.

Never said that. I am saying that it's obvious that you made a thread that you thought would be an easy win for him. And I am not going to indulge your circle jerk any further. You can have fun tossing Eobard's salad all by yourself. For your sake, I just hope he wipes thoroughly.

Why you mad?

As pertains Groot burning, please tell me that you are not trying to argue that he cant burn; that's...not a good argument.

His bark is his flesh, and flesh can burn...period.

Groot being alien doesn't mean a damn thing; he can burn...case closed.

And no, I didn't make a thread where my guy gets an easy win...

I like the Guardians too; I was just wondering if Thawne could take them...

The voters decided he could...

So just relax...

Thawne wins and you agree with this...

Cheers!

🙂

lol really? The "you mad" "relax" thing? Surely you can do better than that.

Also, never said he can't burn. Just pointed out that he might not burn as effectively as normal wood, as he is an alien.

Sure you did. Because unnecessarily posting chest-phase pics and calling RF "my guy" totally shows objectivity. Anyway, have fun.

Constantly referring to him as "Eobard" does not help matters, who doesn't want to see a guy named "Eobard" lose?

Originally posted by Surtur
Constantly referring to him as "Eobard" does not help matters, who doesn't want to see a guy named "Eobard" lose?

The guy who made the thread on RF's home turf (despite usually using a "featureless plain" to supposedly not give anyone an advantage in that regard), was quick to point out that RF gets access to pretty much anything in Central City, has shown a complete willingness to throw even characters he likes (Khan, for example) under the bus if it served a higher agenda, and acted like the purpose of the thread was just some innocent unsure curiosity, despite boldly claiming that RF would either phase kill or beat 4 out of the 5 Guardians to death, and that there were multiple "immediately" obvious ways with which RF could destroy Groot?

Or maybe all of that is just one huge coincidence. 🙄

Well, looks like the voting is finished and the arguments are finalized...

Eobard Thawne wins...

😉

People voted for Trump. Doesn't mean it was the correct choice.

Originally posted by KingD19
People voted for Trump. Doesn't mean it was the correct choice.

Eobard isn't Trump...

Eobard is far, far, superior to Trump...

People voted correctly this time...

🙂

Wait. OP says "Standard equipment only". So RF can't use anything lying around the city or any of the labs.

Originally posted by KingD19
Wait. OP says "Standard equipment only". So RF can't use anything lying around the city or any of the labs.

Standard equipment is what a given character typically has on his/her person...

All characters may use whats in a given environment however...

This battle happens in Central City, so whatever the characters can get their hands on in Central City is fair game...

Per the Op, the battle takes place downtown. Which means the labs are off limits.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per the Op, the battle takes place downtown. Which means the labs are off limits.

Labs are on the outskirts...

Not that it really matters; all RF needs to put down Groot are a few gallons of gasoline + a cigarette lighter...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Labs are on the outskirts...

Not that it really matters; all RF needs to put down Groot are a few gallons of gasoline + a cigarette lighter...

Lol.