The Reverse Flash vs the Guardians of the Galaxy...

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where in the OP does it say bloodlusted?

And no one has still provided a decent argument for him killing Groot. If someone can, I can agree with him taking the win. But, until then, I remain unconvinced.

I have a very decent argument for RF destroying Groot, but apparently no one has been able to think them up, so I'll supply them myself...

1st, RF can hurle Lightning at an opponent just like Flash can; Lightning can burn wood, so thats one way RF can destroy Groot...

2nd, have you all forgotten to read the OP? The fight happens at night in Central City, so let that sink in for a moment, and ask yourself "is there anything in Central City RF can access to destroy Groot?" The only answer an objective person will come to is "hell yes!"

So yeah...the RF can absolutely destroy Groot here.

Edit for spelling...

I hate debating with full-powered speedsters.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I have a very decent argument for RF destroying Groot, but apparently no one has been able to think them up, so I'll supply them myself...

1st, RF can hurle Lightning at an opponent just like Flash can; Lightning can burn wood, so thats one way RF can destroy Groot...

2nd, have you all forgotten to read the OP? The fight happens at night in Central City, so let that sink in for a moment, and ask yourself "is there anything in Central City RF can access to destroy Groot?" The only answer an objective person will come to is "hell yes!"

So yeah...the RF can absolutely destroy Groot here.

Edit for spelling...

All Speedsters are not equal. Reverse Flash can't throw lightning as he was never shown to throw lightning.

And are you basically saying Eobard will BFR himself to find something beyond the battlefield to hurt Groot with? Or are you saying he will go get devices he wouldn't have access to to use in the fight?

Originally posted by KingD19
And are you basically saying Eobard will BFR himself to find something beyond the battlefield to hurt Groot with? Or are you saying he will go get devices he wouldn't have access to to use in the fight?

And he's basically saying that RF needs to go find something that isn't part of his standard gear or abilities in order to take out Groot, even if it means leaving downtown and potentially running all over Central City.

Originally posted by KingD19
All Speedsters are not equal. Reverse Flash can't throw lightning as he was never shown to throw lightning.

And are you basically saying Eobard will BFR himself to find something beyond the battlefield to hurt Groot with? Or are you saying he will go get devices he wouldn't have access to to use in the fight?

Central City is the battleground, so leaving Groots immediate location to find something to destroy him with doesnt constitute BFR'ing himself...

Even though he has an Ego, Eobard is brillant and has a quick mind; it wont take him long to figure something out with what is around him...

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And he's basically saying that RF needs to go find something that isn't part of his standard gear or abilities in order to take out Groot, even if it means leaving downtown and potentially running all over Central City.

He wont have to leave Downtown...

He may have run away from Groot to get what he needs, but he wont have to BFR himself...

Where did I say anything about BFR? I simply said he might need to run all over Central City.

But indulge me, exactly what in downtown specifically will he find that gets the job done? And "he will find something" is not a proper response.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where did I say anything about BFR? I simply said he might need to run all over Central City.

But indulge me, exactly what in downtown specifically will he find that gets the job done? And "he will find something" is not a proper response.

You are not creative enough to figure that out?

Starlabs is available to him; if you arent familar enough with what is located there then you shouldnt be in this thread debating...

You didn't answer his question.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't answer his question.

Yes, I did...

There are many ways Eobard can destroy Groot in this senario; those that watch the show will know this immediately...

Especially given the tech thats available to him via Starlabs...

But if you are asking me to supply answers for those that lack knowledge, then I wont do that (I've done enough thinking for you all already)...

I will simply laugh at those attempting to debate without a thorogh knowledge of the source material...

No, answering his question would be telling him what in Star labs can be used to defeat the Guardians.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are not creative enough to figure that out?

Starlabs is available to him; if you arent familar enough with what is located there then you shouldnt be in this thread debating...

Is that your new shtick? When you can't actually answer a question, you try to accuse the other side of ignorance? I'm up to date with every single CW DC show. And StarLabs isn't downtown. It's actually much closer to the outskirts of Central City.

What stopping Thawne from picking up the Guardian's weaponry after he dispatches them to kill Groot?

Originally posted by juggerman
What stopping Thawne from picking up the Guardian's weaponry after he dispatches them to kill Groot?

That is an option as well...

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Especially considering what Starlords guns were capable of doing to Ego's Avatar...

Originally posted by juggerman
What stopping Thawne from picking up the Guardian's weaponry after he dispatches them to kill Groot?

Well, based on things like how much energy and heat it took, during the team-shielding sequence in the first film finale, to actually take him out, their guns might not be strong enough. But yeah, if he can get his hands on Gamora's sword, he can chop Groot up. We've seen that it can damage him. But thank you for actually replying with a valid argument for RF taking him out. That was all I asked for.

But now I am currently more interested in LoM actually backing his claims, after the condescending attitude he adopted with his false accusations of other people's ignorance (which is pretty ironic at this point). He made the claim that RF will use his super smarts to use StarLabs tech to kill Groot, so burden of proof is on him to show which tech, and how it will be used. Of course, he can choose to try and continue to dodge and deflect, but it will just make him look even worse at this point.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, based on things like how much energy and heat it took, during the team-shielding sequence in the first film finale, to actually take him out, their guns might not be strong enough. But yeah, if he can get his hands on Gamora's sword, he can chop Groot up. We've seen that it can damage him. But thank you for actually replying with a valid argument for RF taking him out. That was all I asked for.

But now I am currently more interested in LoM actually backing his claims, after the condescending attitude he adopted with his false accusations of other people's ignorance (which is pretty ironic at this point). He made the claim that RF will use his super smarts to use StarLabs tech to kill Groot, so burden of proof is on him to show which tech, and how it will be used. Of course, he can choose to try and continue to dodge and deflect, but it will just make him look even worse at this point.

My attitude was just; you should know enough about the show to know that whats in Star Labs could be used to kill Groot...

Eobard could just kill everyone but Groot...

Fail to kill Groot as he did the others...

Get an idea on how to beat him (heat/fire being the logical choice against a foe made out of wood), go to Star Labs and use the technology there to make another Heat Gun for example (its not like Groot will know where he went or how to find him, so Eobard has all the time he needs to make it)...

And that's just off the top of my head...

So please, just accept that Groot isn't some special character that's beyond Eobards ability to defeat...

The man is far faster than Groot, far smarter than Groot, and would have complete control of any fight he and Groot would have...

I personally think RF wouldn't even need Star Labs tech to beat Groot honestly as I see no reason why Eobard couldn't burn Groot down with Lightning...

Hell, for all we know, Eobard could conceivably kill Groot by drenching him with gas and then lighting a match...

Without PIS being a factor, there is nothing Groot could do to stop it...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
My attitude was just; you should know enough about the show to know that whats in Star Labs could be used to kill Groot...

No, it wasn't. Acting in a condescending manner while refusing to back a claim you made is not just. It wouldn't matter if I knew what the writer's personal feelings were while they were describing StarLabs in every episode screenplay. The burden of proof is on you to back your claim.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Eobard could just kill everyone but Groot...

Fail to kill Groot as he did the others...

This bit doesn't even make any sense.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Get an idea on how to beat him (heat/fire being the logical choice against a foe made out of wood), go to Star Labs and use the technology there to make another Heat Gun for example (its not like Groot will know where he went or how to find him, so Eobard has all the time he needs to make it)...

And that's just off the top of my head...

Cisco built the Heat gun. Not Thawne. Just like Cisco built the Cold gun and the Alchemy gun.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

So please, just accept that Groot isn't some special character that's beyond Eobards ability to defeat...

I said that I question whether phasing would work, but said that I was open to hearing alternative strategies. And I already admitted that Juggerman's strategy would work. So, why are you intentionally trying to misrepresent my statements?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

The man is far faster than Groot, far smarter than Groot, and would have complete control of any fight he and Groot would have...

I personally think RF wouldn't even need Star Labs tech to beat Groot honestly as I see no reason why Eobard couldn't burn Groot down with Lightning...

Trying to give RF an ability he hasn't actually shown onscreen (hmmm... deja vu).

The 1st part makes perfect sense; Eobard would likely kill the others with phase attacks or just beating them to death at superspeed...

There is a real possibility that the above wouldn't do the trick against Groot, so Eobard would have to attempt another tactic...

And yes, Cisco built the Heat Gun, but Eobard comes from a time more than 100 years ahead of Cisco and Star Labs technology...

That Heat Gun (while high tech to Cisco and the world at the time of The Flash) is ancient tech to Eobard...

If you think Eobard cant build it "just because" he hadn't, you are really being dense and ignoring his great intellect and engineering background (the guy is a genius even by future standards)...

As pertains what would be needed to beat Groot, you thought about phase attacking and stopped there. Your thought process on the matter stalled was unable to come up with any other solution that Eobard could use to beat him...

No creativity...

Groot is wood and Eobard is a genius with bleeding edge modern tech at his disposal; if you think there is nothing in Star Labs that he could cook up (he built a particle accelerator for gods sake) to beat Groot, then you need to open your mind a bit more...

I'll give Eobard an ability that he's used many, many, times on screen: the ability to think...

He has to destroy a being made out of wood; for a man of his intellect with the technology available to him, that wont be hard...

Once again, it could very well be as easy as just drenching Groot with gas and lighting a match...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The 1st part makes perfect sense; Eobard would likely kill the others with phase attacks or just beating them to death at superspeed...

There is a real possibility that the above wouldn't do the trick against Groot, so Eobard would have to attempt another tactic...

Then you need to phrase your sentences better. Because the way you typed it made it sound like a contradiction.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

And yes, Cisco built the Heat Gun, but Eobard comes from a time more than 100 years ahead of Cisco and Star Labs technology...

That Heat Gun (while high tech to Cisco and the world at the time of The Flash) is ancient tech to Eobard...

If you think Eobard cant build it "just because" he hadn't, you are really being dense and ignoring his great intellect (the guy is a genius even by future standards)...

Cisco's tech (dampener cuffs) also countered 64th century tech (against Abra Kadabra). Being a smart guy from the future (or even having tech from the future) does not make you capable of doing everything. Thawne still needed Cisco to build a lot of stuff while he was pretending to be Harrison Wells.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

As pertains what would be needed to beat Groot, you thought about phase attacking and stopped there. Your thought process on the matter was unable to come up with any other solution that Eobard could use to beat him...

No creativity...

I was arguing based on his standard powerset. It is not my job to make arguments for the other side about what Thawne would do otherwise. That's the job of people arguing in favour of him. Like Juggerman did (and I agreed with). And he did so while remaining completely civil, and without trying to belittle people.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Groot is wood and Eobard is a genius with bleeding edge modern tech at his disposal; if you think there is nothing in Star Labs that he could cook up (he built a particle accelerator for gods sake) to beat Groot, then you need to open your mind a bit more...

Firstly, Groot is not just some tree. He is an alien being with tree-like characteristics, but it still took re-entry level temperature to damage him.

And again trying to misrepresent what I said? I never said there is nothing there that could potentially work. I said the burden of proof is on you to show it, as you made the claim.

And so what if he built the particle accelerator? He had help from people like Ronnie, Hartley and Cisco, and it took years to get it finished.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

I'll give Eobard an ability that he's used many, many, times on screen: the ability to think...

He has to destroy a being made out of wood; for a man of his intellect with the technology available to him, that wont be hard...

Once again, it could very well be as easy as just drenching Groot with gas and lighting a match...

No, you were trying to give him lightning bolt throwing, even though he has never actually done it onscreen.