Oberyn Martell vs Baleman w/katana

Originally posted by NemeBro
Weird how people only really do that for Baleman, or occasionally Game of Thrones (which makes your post all the weirder, you're comparing him to a Game of Thrones character with similarly bad choreography, or perhaps worse, given that his only fight was against an opponent with worse choreography than anyone in the Dark Knight trilogy).

No one calls Darth Maul an awful swordsman despite the fact that, as filmed, he's terrible. 👇

But this is beside the point. For real though, has Baleman ever used a sword onscreen? I honestly can't recall. Maybe in the League of Shadows training segment?

You might have actually had a point up until you mentioned Darth Maul. While there might have been some weak points in that choreography, Darth Maul's skill was apparent for all to see. In fact, CGI aside, Darth Maul is probably the most visually skilled jedi/sith we've seen on screen.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You might have actually had a point up until you mentioned Darth Maul. While there might have been some weak points in that choreography, Darth Maul's skill was apparent for all to see. In fact, CGI aside, Darth Maul is probably the most visually skilled jedi/sith we've seen on screen.

He probably fancies himself a swordsman and as such was yelling at the screen "that wouldn't work in real life". So he is trying to equate unrealistic depictions of technique with actual shitty choreography.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He probably fancies himself a swordsman and as such was yelling at the screen "that wouldn't work in real life". So he is trying to equate unrealistic depictions of technique with actual shitty choreography.

I think just because the techniques used were "fancy" he automatically thinks that makes Darth Maul a terrible fighter.

Originally posted by Mindset
Squires follow knights on the battlefield, he'd have someone to give him another spear.

Anyway, he wouldn't have been phucking around on the battlefield doing flips and smiling to the crowds, he also wouldn't be trying to get a confession.

He was clearly the superior fighter.

Because no one would harass the squire, right?

You're delusional if you think those flips were just for show, that was his style, as retarded as it looked.

Either way, Baleman is a lot faster and more skilled than the Mountain, so this comparison is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Because no one would harass the squire, right?

You're delusional if you think those flips were just for show, that was his style, as retarded as it looked.

Either way, Baleman is a lot faster and more skilled than the Mountain, so this comparison is ridiculous.

The Mountain is a slow fighter. But so is Baleman. Oberyn is still faster than Baleman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The Mountain is a slow fighter.

And yet he tagged Oberyn more than once.

Oberyn might be faster, but he's melee skills are nowhere near Baleman's.

Baleman's melee skills

And what are Oberyn's skills? Doing flips and cartwheels? Landing glancing blows on a big slow guy?

I'm just providing evidence so people can see why you rate Baleman's skill so highly.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And yet he tagged Oberyn more than once.

Oberyn might be faster, but he's melee skills are nowhere near Baleman's.

Because, again, Oberyn was playing around. Plus the fact that the Mountain has enough reach and strength to counteract the spear.

Oberyn has a massive reach advantage over Baleman and his katana. Baleman does not have the reach and strength of the Mountain. He's not fast enough to dodge Oberyn, as seen how slowly he moves in his fights, and he doesn't have the strength to actually parry the spear. So how's he going to win this eh?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because, again, Oberyn was playing around. Plus the fact that the Mountain has enough reach and strength to counteract the spear.

Oberyn has a massive reach advantage over Baleman and his katana. Baleman does not have the reach and strength of the Mountain. He's not fast enough to dodge Oberyn, as seen how slowly he moves in his fights, and he doesn't have the strength to actually parry the spear. So how's he going to win this eh?

He wasn't playing around, if he was he wouldn't have gotten hit more than once, and he wouldn't have needed to use poison. He's honestly lucky he didn't die earlier in the fight. He clearly didn't.

Silent Master likes to post gifs of Nolan's crappy fights, but did you not see how clumsy the Mountain looked in the Viper fight? He looked like a complete retard. Bale knew how to hold a sword, at least.

Baleman's going to win by being faster and more skilled than the Mountain, because Baleman has actual feats of defeating groups of armed opponents, unlike Oberyn or the Mountain.

I posted Baleman's fights, not Nolan's.

I just watched the one time in three movies Batman used a sword for 30 seconds. He got saved by an explosion and was on the back foot every single time against that guy.

And he's not strong enough to break Oberyn's spear from 4-5 feet away like Mountain. So what's he gonna do when that poison blade nicks him at the very least? As the only reason Mountain lasted so long was because he was just frickin huge.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He wasn't playing around, if he was he wouldn't have gotten hit more than once, and he wouldn't have needed to use poison. He's honestly lucky he didn't die earlier in the fight. He clearly didn't.

Silent Master likes to post gifs of Nolan's crappy fights, but did you not see how clumsy the Mountain looked in the Viper fight? He looked like a complete retard. Bale knew how to hold a sword, at least.

Baleman's going to win by being faster and more skilled than the Mountain, because Baleman has actual feats of defeating groups of armed opponents, unlike Oberyn or the Mountain.

Everyone here agrees that Oberyn was not going all out against Gregor. Seems to me you just don't want to admit it.

As I said in the other thread, Batman and Superman have always had some of the worst Fanboys out there, they just refuse to be unbiased when discussing anything about them

Originally posted by Psychotron
Because no one would harass the squire, right?

You're delusional if you think those flips were just for show, that was his style, as retarded as it looked.

Either way, Baleman is a lot faster and more skilled than the Mountain, so this comparison is ridiculous.

The fact is that's what squires were used for so it obviously worked.

They were for show.

I really don't give a shit if he is, I was talking about the Mountain.

There's also the fact that Oberyn will have a massive reach advantage over Baleman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You might have actually had a point up until you mentioned Darth Maul.

I still have a point after mentioning Darth Maul.

While there might have been some weak points in that choreography,

I wouldn't say that at all.

Darth Maul's skill was apparent for all to see.

His athleticism and stage fighting skill were apparent for all to see. His actual skill at killing people with his sword was not so, for people who were paying attention. But I don't actually hold that against him. The choreography is simply just as poor a representation of actual skillful combat as Baleman's is.

In fact, CGI aside, Darth Maul is probably the most visually skilled jedi/sith we've seen on screen.

What does any of that have to do with his actual demonstrated skill at combat?

But hey, maybe people are more critical of TDK trilogy's character's skill because the choreography is "bad". Is that it? If so, then I guess Darth Maul isn't a great example.

So I'll use Darth Vader from the OT. I have never, not once, seen someone use the shit-tier sluggish choreography of the OT against Vader.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He probably fancies himself a swordsman and as such was yelling at the screen "that wouldn't work in real life". So he is trying to equate unrealistic depictions of technique with actual shitty choreography.

Originally posted by FrothByte
and he doesn't have the strength to actually parry the spear.