A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.
A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.
Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaIt wasn't casual, it was with might.
A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.
Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?
Con games I see.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.
Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?
Because Jarnbjorn recently cut it I guess. That destroyer was pretty low end as far as his history goes.
Thanos: Gets a bloody nose, smiles, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw.
Kurse: Gets knocked down and stands right back up. Supe's gets scared.
Sodam Yat Ion: KO'd
Superboy Prime: Gets a bloody nose, whines about it, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw
Destroyer Armor (normal human soul): Unharmed. Supes gets disintegrated
Mangog: Laughs it off
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Originally posted by Damborgson
But it was there right? The defenses got destroyed but they were still there to start.
I'm not sure you understand how GL rings work. And how much power it takes to destroy a ring.
The ring was destroyed, Doomsday had no protection from the blast.
That's not speculation, that's a logical conclusion. Hence the bus example. It's not meant to diminish, because there's no diminishing the feat, but if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly you're trying to hype the punch up by saying it's > an exploding guardian or something and that's just not right by any standard. The explosion could very well be an overkill on Doomsday, not the bare minimum.
Except it was literally a weaker Doomsday who only got koed by it.
Superman actually killed a stronger Doomsday than the one the Guardian failed to kill.
He was up and talking on the same page. /shrug and he was getting up on the next panel. Stunned would be more or less what Konvikt did to Superman.
K, how about this one.
Yet Doomsday was sent flying and put on his back. It doesn't mean anything, but neither does the Iron Man/Mangog showing.
Doomsday was sent flying but was unhurt. Mangog was visibly stunned.
Ah, didn't remember that scan, good feat for Jarnbjorn. It might be because of the enchantment that gives it such ease, but it's damaged Celestial armor without it as well.
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Apocalypse is always a *****.
So it's got a hell of a bite when Thor's swinging hard enough.
Yet failed to cut through chi field of power man. C'mon man.
Because a shield doesn't move or punch or blast. It's the difference between a slab of adamantium and Ultron for a lesser comparison. And the difference between the armor and the shield isn't so great it's night and day.
Yes, it is that great.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.
Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Thanos: Gets a bloody nose, smiles, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw.Kurse: Gets knocked down and stands right back up. Supe's gets scared.
Sodam Yat Ion: KO'd
Superboy Prime: Gets a bloody nose, whines about it, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw
Destroyer Armor (normal human soul): Unharmed. Supes gets disintegrated
Mangog: Laughs it off
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I disagree. Especially considering that DD is arguably as durable, almost as durable, and more durable than some of these characters.
In particular, DD is more durable than Thanos, Yat, and Kurse.
He's just as durable as Mangog (looking at full history and not just SA).
He's almost as durable as Destroyer and Prime.
I can be wrong but if I am then my estimates are not far off.
Superman has some of the greatest strength feats in comics. He has done some astronomical insane things.
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Thanos: Gets a bloody nose, smiles, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw.Kurse: Gets knocked down and stands right back up. Supe's gets scared.
Sodam Yat Ion: KO'd
Superboy Prime: Gets a bloody nose, whines about it, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw
Destroyer Armor (normal human soul): Unharmed. Supes gets disintegrated
Mangog: Laughs it off
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Oh the Marvel fanboys.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure you understand how GL rings work. And how much power it takes to destroy a ring.The ring was destroyed, Doomsday had no protection from the blast.
Except it was literally a weaker Doomsday who only got koed by it.
Superman actually killed a stronger Doomsday than the one the Guardian failed to kill.
K, how about this one.
Doomsday was sent flying but was unhurt. Mangog was visibly stunned.
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Apocalypse is always a *****.
Yet failed to cut through chi field of power man. C'mon man.
Yes, it is that great.
I'm not sure you know how protection works. Green Lantern rings generate with them a protective field do they not? And he had a power ring when the explosion went off right?
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The guardians are even telling him to wait for the charge of the ring to drain. The explosion did indeed destroy the ring, and the protection it provided with it, but that's still protection. Not to mention Doomsday was adapting to that type of energy already.
It's a great feat though, I guess I don't know the point you're trying to make with it is all. Are you suggesting Superman's fist is > An exploding Guardian?
Because by that logic: The destroyer > Phoenix Force. Seeing as how a single blast from the armor killed Thor while a couple blasts from the Phoenix Force merely KO'd Thor.
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What about it? Is getting stunned for less than a page spread by Thor of all people a low showing now? Thor did indeed stun Mangog, it's kind of his thing to punch above his weight class. Iron Man, knocked Mangog over a little and it's right there on the page.
Yet he's clad in Celestial armor. And Thor still damaged it. And that Apocalypse was hitting hard enough to take young Thor's head off, but it's interesting to see you dismiss arguments by attacking the character lol.
Do I have to explain that characters with enough appearances will have a variety of showings? You know how to properly discuss these things, put some effort in.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I'm not sure you know how protection works. Green Lantern rings generate with them a protective field do they not? And he had a power ring when the explosion went off right?https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5525539-1637320297-g9qPL.jpg
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The blast destroyed the ring hence no protection was there for Doomsday. And old GL rings did not have auto fields, they only worked when there was mortal danger.
The guardians are even telling him to wait for the charge of the ring to drain. The explosion did indeed destroy the ring, and the protection it provided with it, but that's still protection. Not to mention Doomsday was adapting to that type of energy already.
You're still not comprehending the scene. The ring didn't automatically protected wearers before zero hour.
It's a great feat though, I guess I don't know the point you're trying to make with it is all. Are you suggesting Superman's fist is > An exploding Guardian?
All out Superman? Yes, considering Roger Stern wrote that annual with Doomsday and Guardians and was one of the chief writers of DOS.
Because by that logic: The destroyer > Phoenix Force. Seeing as how a single blast from the armor killed Thor while a couple blasts from the Phoenix Force merely KO'd Thor.
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Don't be carver. Destroyer fought Thor for a whole issue there and those are from different writers.
If you want to compare who tanked what attacks, you shouldn't compare Thor to Superman. Trust me, you will not win that.
What about it? Is getting stunned for less than a page spread by Thor of all people a low showing now? Thor did indeed stun Mangog, it's kind of his thing to punch above his weight class. Iron Man, knocked Mangog over a little and it's right there on the page.
No, but he stunned Mangog. Superman couldn't even hurt Doomsday before he went all out.
Mangog is visibly stunned, not just knocked over.
Yet he's clad in Celestial armor. And Thor still damaged it.
That was more like a scratch. Thor specifically enchanted the axe because he couldn't cut the armor.
And that Apocalypse was hitting hard enough to take young Thor's head off, but it's interesting to see you dismiss arguments by attacking the character lol.
What does that has to do with the durability of the armor?
Young Thor shrugged off the axe embedded in his chest in the very same comic.
Do I have to explain that characters with enough appearances will have a variety of showings? You know how to properly discuss these things, put some effort in.
I do. Perhaps you don't hence comparing Destroyer and Phoenix force comparison.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The blast destroyed the ring hence no protection was there for Doomsday. And old GL rings did not have auto fields, they only worked when there was mortal danger.You're still not comprehending the scene. The ring didn't automatically protected wearers before zero hour.
All out Superman? Yes, considering Roger Stern wrote that annual with Doomsday and Guardians and was one of the chief writers of DOS.
Don't be carver. Destroyer fought Thor for a whole issue there and those are from different writers.
If you want to compare who tanked what attacks, you shouldn't compare Thor to Superman. Trust me, you will not win that.
No, but he stunned Mangog. Superman couldn't even hurt Doomsday before he went all out.
Mangog is visibly stunned, not just knocked over.
That was more like a scratch. Thor specifically enchanted the axe because he couldn't cut the armor.
What does that has to do with the durability of the armor?
Young Thor shrugged off the axe embedded in his chest in the very same comic.
I do. Perhaps you don't hence comparing Destroyer and Phoenix force comparison.
The rings defenses didn't have auto fields back then, okay understood. But...a guardian exploding wouldn't be...a mortal danger? Not to mention Doomsday was feeding and adapting to the energies being shot at him. At the very least a cushion to the attack. Or does adapting to the energies hurled at you not do that?
Superman's fist > Guardian's exploding, got you.
Destroyer fighting the destroyer and getting hit by his fists, didn't lower his durability to being cooked. Because even while near comatose, he survived the blast from the Phoenix while not the destroyers.
You point me in the direction of where using different writers and comparing showings across stories is wrong, and I'll desist. Until then, you don't get to dismiss showings because you don't like them.
So that's a great showing for Thor, not a poor showing for Mangog. He bull rushed into his stomach, he tore a hole in Glory with the same tactic.
No he wasn't, he just got knocked over. You're arguing against what happened on panel, take a moment and realize this.
You can see the indent where it pierced into the armor, what type of scratches have you gotten? Again, Thor surviving that axe, isn't some low showing or whatever you're trying to say, that's just a good damage soak feat for Thor, and decent piercing for Jarnbjorn.
You're making up rules to fit you're argument and you're not going to stop until you start foaming at the mouth like most threads, figures. And 😂 @ You bringing up Carver. You're not better than him. 👆
Originally posted by Damborgson
The rings defenses didn't have auto fields back then, okay understood. But...a guardian exploding wouldn't be...a mortal danger? Not to mention Doomsday was feeding and adapting to the energies being shot at him. At the very least a cushion to the attack. Or does adapting to the energies hurled at you not do that?
The ring didn't have that as it was destroyed.
So he was able to adapt and grow stronger. Not that he was doing anything else.
Superman's fist > Guardian's exploding, got you.
Great logic right there bro.
Destroyer fighting the destroyer and getting hit by his fists, didn't lower his durability to being cooked. Because even while near comatose, he survived the blast from the Phoenix while not the destroyers.
Hey, are you trying to say Destroyer>Phoenix force? Because unlike what you are trying to do with Superman and a guardian, Phoenix punked Destroyer like nothing just recently.
And it wasn't a oneshot kill shot as you're trying to portray.
You point me in the direction of where using different writers and comparing showings across stories is wrong, and I'll desist. Until then, you don't get to dismiss showings because you don't like them.
It's not wrong, it's straight disengeneous. Trust me, Thor got nothing if I start throwing around Superman high end feats.
So that's a great showing for Thor, not a poor showing for Mangog. He bull rushed into his stomach, he tore a hole in Glory with the same tactic.
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So Thor>Mangog >glory?
No he wasn't, he just got knocked over. You're arguing against what happened on panel, take a moment and realize this.
Yeah, right. He isn't on his back with a stunned look.
Right bro.
You can see the indent where it pierced into the armor, what type of scratches have you gotten? Again, Thor surviving that axe, isn't some low showing or whatever you're trying to say, that's just a good damage soak feat for Thor, and decent piercing for Jarnbjorn.
So Thor's skin, Apocalypse Armor and Destroyer's skin are fairly similar in durability then, right?
And why did Thor flee if he already cut Apocalypse armor?
You're making up rules to fit you're argument and you're not going to stop until you start foaming at the mouth like most threads, figures. And 😂 @ You bringing up Carver. You're not better than him. 👆
What rules am I making up?
I'm better than you though.
Originally posted by Damborgson
The rings defenses didn't have auto fields back then, okay understood. But...a guardian exploding wouldn't be...a mortal danger? Not to mention Doomsday was feeding and adapting to the energies being shot at him. At the very least a cushion to the attack. Or does adapting to the energies hurled at you not do that?Superman's fist > Guardian's exploding, got you.
Destroyer fighting the destroyer and getting hit by his fists, didn't lower his durability to being cooked. Because even while near comatose, he survived the blast from the Phoenix while not the destroyers.
You point me in the direction of where using different writers and comparing showings across stories is wrong, and I'll desist. Until then, you don't get to dismiss showings because you don't like them.
So that's a great showing for Thor, not a poor showing for Mangog. He bull rushed into his stomach, he tore a hole in Glory with the same tactic.
No he wasn't, he just got knocked over. You're arguing against what happened on panel, take a moment and realize this.
You can see the indent where it pierced into the armor, what type of scratches have you gotten? Again, Thor surviving that axe, isn't some low showing or whatever you're trying to say, that's just a good damage soak feat for Thor, and decent piercing for Jarnbjorn.
You're making up rules to fit you're argument and you're not going to stop until you start foaming at the mouth like most threads, figures. And 😂 @ You bringing up Carver. You're not better than him. 👆
Why is knocking Mangog out a great showing for Thor and not a weak showing for Mangog? Thor couldn't effect Mangog in the past. Did Thor get stronger or Mangog got weaker?
Why is flying through Glory impressive? It didn't appear super durable (more like soft material) when Thor flew through. I could be wrong, so I ask for a rational.
Also, to prove it wasn't a great feat for Thor (the Mangog feat)is that we can upper estimate the force Thor hit Mangog with. Just look at Thor's speed and the mass of Mjolnir and Thor together. Superman throwing a punch at light speed would have astronomically more force.
Originally posted by h1a8Show a scan of superman punching at light speed.
Why is knocking Mangog out a great showing for Thor and not a weak showing for Mangog? Thor couldn't effect Mangog in the past. Did Thor get stronger or Mangog got weaker?Why is flying through Glory impressive? It didn't appear super durable (more like soft material) when Thor flew through. I could be wrong, so I ask for a rational.
Also, to prove it wasn't a great feat for Thor (the Mangog feat)is that we can upper estimate the force Thor hit Mangog with. Just look at Thor's speed and the mass of Mjolnir and Thor together. Superman throwing a punch at light speed would have astronomically more force.
Originally posted by JBL
Show a scan of superman punching at light speed.
Remember, H1 ask for durability and speed showings from other characters but when it comes to the characters he is debating for, his false math is all that matter. With that said, he isn't going to provide you a single punching ft because he feels like he doesn't need too due to it being his pet.
