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Originally posted by Scribble
She should get three years and he should get seven, tbh. That's a pure minimum, btw. Three years is a long time to think about your stupid, immoral acts and realise how wrong you were for doing that, and how much damage you've done. Three years isn't enough for a rapist, seven years minimum to reform them. They need to understand the impact they've caused on someone's life from a psycho-physical and social point of view, rather than just a psychological and social perspective.

But then, prison is often more about reform than punishment to me, so idk. Plus, I've made my opinions on free speech and consequences clear before – 'free speech' should be judged by the intended consequences. If a rape liar should get 3 years, then someone specifically advocating violence should get the same, and someone specifically advoccating murder should be charged with the same charge as someone hiring a hitman.

Yeah, we have free speech, but speech has consequences, and if those words intend a specific consequence, then you should be judged for it.

Plus I have no idea what this conversation is about prior to the past few posts, so this is just my two cents on the specific topic at hand.

I feel like whatever the minimum number of years a rapist would get...should be the number she gets for lying about being raped.

Not just this person, ANYONE who has lied about being raped. And they do not all have these "happy" endings. Sometimes men have spent years in prison cuz of false rape accusations. Do you think their accuser was given years in jail in return? Haha, no.

Consider that some people will view these guys as rapists for the rest of their lives. Any dreams about playing sports in the future are gone.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which is my point and I said exactly that, they both got off light, but they're not comparable in terms of misjustice. Brock's case is a greater. If she should have been given say 4-5years, he should have been given 15+, he was found guilty of three charges of felony sexual assault. But he got off lighter than she did.

You're more lenient with Brock's sentencing than I would have been (25+ years).

Originally posted by Surtur
It doesn't mean they should not whine over this lenient sentencing though.

Originally posted by Playmaker
You're more lenient with Brock's sentencing than I would have been (25+ years).

Just castrate him. It'll be funny.

Originally posted by Surtur
I feel like whatever the minimum number of years a rapist would get...should be the number she gets for lying about being raped.

Not just this person, ANYONE who has lied about being raped. And they do not all have these "happy" endings. Sometimes men have spent years in prison cuz of false rape accusations. Do you think their accuser was given years in jail in return? Haha, no.

Consider that some people will view these guys as rapists for the rest of their lives. Any dreams about playing sports in the future are gone.

I don't think that it should be the same. There should be significant punishments in line for people falsely accusing others of rape, but not the same as rape itself. Though lives have been utterly destroyed by false accusations of rape in which the man would sit in prison for decades before the truth finally comes out. I dunno. I'm torn on this matter.

Originally posted by Playmaker
You're more lenient with Brock's sentencing than I would have been (25+ years).

5-6 years per rape charge sounds about right. Dunno for sure though. Even if Black men have received far more for rape, one over-sentencing doesn't justify another.

Originally posted by Playmaker
I don't think that it should be the same. There should be significant punishments in line for people falsely accusing others of rape, but not the same as rape itself. Though lives have been utterly destroyed by false accusations of rape in which the man would sit in prison for decades before the truth finally comes out. I dunno. I'm torn on this matter.

The act itself might not be the same. But lifelong consequences can follow. Especially if you ended up serving prison time as a result. These guys got lucky in that regard. Though it's sad that "you aren't in college, lost your scholarships, will never get to fulfill your dreams" in this scenario is getting lucky.

Also sadly it does seem rare for a woman to see any jail time in cases like these. I won't even get into the fact women are more likely to receive more lenient sentences than men for the exact same crimes...

Originally posted by Surtur
I feel like whatever the minimum number of years a rapist would get...should be the number she gets for lying about being raped.

Not just this person, ANYONE who has lied about being raped. And they do not all have these "happy" endings. Sometimes men have spent years in prison cuz of false rape accusations. Do you think their accuser was given years in jail in return? Haha, no.

Consider that some people will view these guys as rapists for the rest of their lives. Any dreams about playing sports in the future are gone.

Although I do think about the guys who have had their lives ruined, I also think of the people who have had their lives ruined by hate speech – but, neither of those things are as important as genuine reform, which I think is easier to achieve in those who commit crimes with speech than those who commit crimes with actions.

Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, but aren't you big on free speech? So if the word is as vital as the physical act, surely you should agree that someone who incites violence through speech should be charged with the crime of violence stated?

This is good point.

Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, but aren't you big on free speech? So if the word is as vital as the physical act, surely you should agree that someone who incites violence through speech should be charged with the crime of violence stated?

Although I do think about the guys who have had their lives ruined, I also think of the people who have had their lives ruined by hate speech – but, neither of those things are as important as genuine reform, which I think is easier to achieve in those who commit crimes with speech than those who commit crimes with actions.

I don't think Sutur's point was that the word is as vital as the physical act but that the lying of rape leads innocent people to prison, sometimes for decades. Whereas, threats of violence (which isn't a free speech issue but a call to action issue which is why you can be an accessory to a murder) won't lead someone to potential decades in prison.

The Left is showing its HYPOCRISY with this Womens Issue.

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Originally posted by Playmaker
I don't think Sutur's point was that the word is as vital as the physical act but that the lying of rape leads innocent people to prison, sometimes for decades. Whereas, threats of violence (which isn't a free speech issue but a call to action issue which is why you can be an accessory to a murder) won't lead someone to potential decades in prison.

If 'it's just a joke' applies, then what stops the woman/man from claiming them saying that they'd been raped was just a joke?

It all reads to different strains of speech control and judgement to me, in different guises. It's basically the same thing that one side is blasting the other side for.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is good point.

It's a rather poor point actually. It's weird you don't know Lets get to why...

Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, but aren't you big on free speech? So if the word is as vital as the physical act, surely you should agree that someone who incites violence through speech should be charged with the crime of violence stated?

Although I do think about the guys who have had their lives ruined, I also think of the people who have had their lives ruined by hate speech – but, neither of those things are as important as genuine reform, which I think is easier to achieve in those who commit crimes with speech than those who commit crimes with actions.

You already can't incite violence through free speech here lol. It's why you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater and claim "muh speech!".

Free speech also doesn't cover lies to the police.

If you want to say I should get the same punishment for punching you if I encourage violence and someone else punches you...cool I'm fine with it. But we already punish incitement of violence anyways.

Democrat House members blast NFL team for backing league rule requiring players to stand for anthem

Bwahaha, yes!

Originally posted by Surtur
It's a rather poor point actually. It's weird you don't know Lets get to why...

You already can't incite violence through free speech here lol. It's why you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater and claim "muh speech!".

Free speech also doesn't cover lies to the police.

If you want to say I should get the same punishment for punching you if I encourage violence and someone else punches you...cool I'm fine with it. But we already punish incitement of violence anyways.

Interesting! Why then didn't you have a problem with Trump telling his supporters to physically assault other people and that he would cover their legal fees? In fact, you not only didn't have a problem with Trump inciting violence, but you were "amused" by Trump's actions.

While I do think that the girl in question should get a harsher punishment for sure, I don't think it should really be similar in duration to the punishment for rape. For instance, I think she should probably get 5 - 10 years. The brock guy should probably get 15-20.

Originally posted by Robtard
Interesting! Why then didn't you have a problem with Trump telling his supporters to physically assault other people and that he would cover their legal fees? In fact, you not only didn't have a problem with Trump inciting violence, but you were "amused" by Trump's actions.

I also said I'd have no problem if they wanna go after him for it. Of course I also said they'd need to go after Mike Browns dad too. They can both fit in the back of a squad car at the same time, right? Wait, irrelevant they don't live in the same area.

Wrong.

Bill Clinton book tour stop, media appearances derailed by #MeToo questions about Lewinsky

What was he thinking? I don't see how Bill thought this was a good idea.

Leftist actor goes on unhinged rant calling for a Trump coup: ‘Hit the streets!’

I'm still a fan of Grosse Pointe Blank though.