Originally posted by Robtard
Said it before, still think not allowing that woman with the hidden testicles to compete and/or take away her records is the wrong move, not her fault she was born with an advantage.
But even with the cover-ups and dishonesty?
They agreed to let her compete if she got the surgery and took test-blockers to bring her test levels back down to sub-doping levels.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
A mutation is a polite way to describe a genetic freak to be honest. A swimmer girl from the 50's won everything, she had nonidea she was a very similar person she just knew she couldn't have kids. That said all top athletes are genetically quirky, most of us could train all our lives with every advantage and we would never be truly elite. I realised this playing Rugby, I was great at school and good at University, but a very average division 2 first team player as an adult.
I guess you're right. I guess that is the definition of a genetic freak.
A mutant is sometimes a genetic freak, right?
Originally posted by dadudemon
But even with the cover-ups and dishonesty?They agreed to let her compete if she got the surgery and took test-blockers to bring her test levels back down to sub-doping levels.
There shouldn't have been a cover up, should have been "this is how I was born, so deal with it" approach from the start.
That's shit too since she's not artificially doping, it's her genetics. No argument on not allowing her to dope-up artificially.
Might as well start testing male athletes and those that have ultra-high levels of T due to their genetics, insist they take drugs to lower them so it's now fair to the male athletes that don't have the same genetic advantage.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I would love no doping restrictions but that's me.
Even if we did people would still cheat when new restrictions would be put in place. It would certainly change the relationship we as a society have about athletes and how they achieve said results beyond the garbage talk of discipline and hard work.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I would love no doping restrictions but that's me.
I can defo sympathize with your sentiment considering how intertwined doping and sports are, that we at this point just say "f--k it, may the best roids win."
Maybe not in the Olympics though, as that's supposed to be about hard work and no shortcuts to the gold for your country's honor or something.
Originally posted by Robtard
There shouldn't have been a cover up, should have been "this is how I was born, so deal with it" approach from the start.That's shit too since she's not artificially doping, it's her genetics. No argument on not allowing her to dope-up artificially.
Might as well start testing male athletes and those that have ultra-high levels of T due to their genetics, insist they take drugs to lower them so it's now fair to the male athletes that don't have the same genetic advantage.
I don't think it was her genetics. I think it was just a freak mutation thing that ended up with her having two sets of gonads from both sexes, internally.
That defeats the purpose of having female athletes since she got the advantage of male athletes: testosterone pumping testes.
I agree that she and her PCP should have been honest. But then she may have been forced to compete with men and not even done better than high school males.
Why do you think she kept it on the down-low like that? She wanted to win. And she wanted to use her mutation to win.
Originally posted by Robtard
I can defo sympathize with your sentiment considering how intertwined doping and sports are, that we at this point just say "f--k it, may the best roids win."Maybe not in the Olympics though, as that's supposed to be about hard work and no shortcuts to the gold for your country's honor or something.
This also a good point.
Doping is happening quite often, now.
So often that you have to be a naturally gifted athlete to keep up with the gene doping that is definitely happening.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think it was her genetics. I think it was just a freak mutation thing that ended up with her having two sets of gonads from both sexes, internally.That defeats the purpose of having female athletes since she got the advantage of male athletes: testosterone pumping testes.
I agree that she and her PCP should have been honest. But then she may have been forced to compete with men and not even done better than high school males.
Why do you think she kept it on the down-low like that? She wanted to win. And she wanted to use her mutation to win.
I would include her freak mutation as being part of her genetics as she was born with it; she didn't seek it from an outside source. eg I wouldn't disallow someone born with a myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy mutation either if they ended up beating everyone else in their chosen sport/event; as that's the "gift" they were born with; not something they did to cheat.
Originally posted by Robtard
I would include her freak mutation as being part of her genetics as she was born with it; she didn't seek it from an outside source. eg I wouldn't disallow someone born with a myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy mutation either if they ended up beating everyone else in their chosen sport/event; as that's the "gift" they were born with; not something they did to cheat.
It's a thin line.
It's pretty clear cut that a man competing in women's athletics is breaking that line. A woman with male teste's...? Is that a woman with a gift? Or someone who doesn't fit into the "male/female" divisions, and thus should be barred from gender divided athletics, period, until her biological sexual orientation is sorted out?
@ Rob and Snowdragon agreed and agreed people will always find a way to cheat. We are at the point know where hacking the germline is possible.
@DDM she is a mutant, her DNA is mutated.
@CDTM I think we should be cautious about changing peoples biology because it doesn't fit. This is something strangely the religious and the scientific can agree on.
Originally posted by Robtard
Said it before, still think not allowing that woman with the hidden testicles to compete and/or take away her records is the wrong move, not her fault she was born with an advantage.
And it still sounds silly seeing you say it a second time lol. Compete against the guys if you have testes. If this person doesn't like doing that? Don't compete, but nah you don't get to compete against women cuz life dealt you a raw deal.
And you could argue it's not the fault of *any* tranny that they were born feeling they are a different gender. Does that make what happened in Connecticut recently okay? With two boys who are trannies winning first and second place in a track competition in high school, thus depriving two women from spots needed to move on and increase their chances of scholarships, etc.?
Originally posted by Robtard
I would include her freak mutation as being part of her genetics as she was born with it; she didn't seek it from an outside source. eg I wouldn't disallow someone born with a myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy mutation either if they ended up beating everyone else in their chosen sport/event; as that's the "gift" they were born with; not something they did to cheat.
Her advantage is specifically because she has hyperphysiologic levels of testosterone which is no different than taking anabolic androgenic steroids.
If she's allowed to compete, then everyone else who competes should be allowed to take AAS to equal her level.
I should make it clear that the IOC has quite a high tolerance for test levels (and androgen/anabolic metabolites and ratios you see from tests) in women. If you're a woman, and you're exceeding these levels, you're a cheater. In order to get closer to the high-end, you have to be on something or have a severe problem.