https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-chinas-expanding-fishing-fleet-is-depleting-worlds-oceans
Yale corroborates his tale. The fishing armada's are real, have flown under the radar for a long time, and are overfishing every area they go to.
This story is way more important than the petty politics of the US, imo.
Originally posted by cdtm
https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-chinas-expanding-fishing-fleet-is-depleting-worlds-oceansYale corroborates his tale. The fishing armada's are real, have flown under the radar for a long time, and are overfishing every area they go to.
This story is way more important than the petty politics of the US, imo.
China is a global threat in many ways aside from fishing let's not even get into the pollution aspect.
Originally posted by snowdragon
China is a global threat in many ways aside from fishing let's not even get into the pollution aspect.
Where on earth are the usual suspect "educators" on this though? I mean, I've long since accepted most politics are just theater, but surely when it comes to serious, actual threat, there are adults in the room ready to draw a line in the sand.
China is doing that to my country too. Entire coral reefs, miles and miles of it, destroyed on purpose by its illegal fishing fleets. All the while protected by Chinese navy boats.
Originally posted by snowdragon
China is a global threat in many ways aside from fishing let's not even get into the pollution aspect.
I do agree with it being a danger to the environment, one thing I think is often not mentioned is that a large part of its environmental impact is the outsourced industry from the US and Europe. I also think that we need to look where the things whose manufacturing are polluting the environment are consumed. I think Europe and the US makes it much too easy on itself by pointing the finger at China there. it's true that they are a huge threat to the environment, but large parts of that is because they manufacture things at the orders Western companies for the consumption on the Western market.
Originally posted by BackFire
Tucker Carlson claims to have had authentic, unique and extremely damning evidence against Hunter Biden, but lost the only copy in the mail.
According to new reports, UPS found the missing documents and has now returned them.
Originally posted by Artol
I do agree with it being a danger to the environment, one thing I think is often not mentioned is that a large part of its environmental impact is the outsourced industry from the US and Europe. I also think that we need to look where the things whose manufacturing are polluting the environment are consumed. I think Europe and the US makes it much too easy on itself by pointing the finger at China there. it's true that they are a huge threat to the environment, but large parts of that is because they manufacture things at the orders Western companies for the consumption on the Western market.
Yes, America needs to source back its industry back into the US or at leaste to countries they can pressure/subsidise to follow stricter environmental protocols. To hell with making luxury items like the Iphone cheaper.
But this is not the point of the post tho. Regardless of whether or not first worlds countries outsource industry jobs out of China, China already has the will and power to use its influence and money to either buy out corrupt politicians or to bully their weaker neighbors thru their navy. To steal territory and resources with zero qualms or accountability about the long term impact of all the destruction they wrought.
This is happening right now. People can hate Trump all they want, but he is right about China. Someone needs to put them in check and soon or the world will suffer for it.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, America needs to source back its industry back into the US or at leaste to countries they can pressure/subsidise to follow stricter environmental protocols. To hell with making luxury items like the Iphone cheaper.But this is not the point of the post tho. Regardless of whether or not first worlds countries outsource industry jobs out of China, China already has the will and power to use its influence and money to either buy out corrupt politicians or to bully their weaker neighbors thru their navy. To steal territory and resources with zero qualms or accountability about the long term impact of all the destruction they wrought.
This is happening right now. People can hate Trump all they want, but he is right about China. Someone needs to put them in check and soon or the world will suffer for it.
Yeah, I agree with what you said, I am unsure about the mechanism to put them in check though. The US has already pulled some of its economic tools in a relatively unfocused trade war that is not going to address any environmental issues. Or regional power issues for that matter. If the Asian states were able to pool their resources to have somewhat of a counter balance that might be good, but I suppose fear of Japanese influence makes that relatively difficult. Additionally I’d almost say in terms of power Trumps actions have helped China’s power in the region.
What do you think would be effective measurements to take and who should take them?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, America needs to source back its industry back into the US or at leaste to countries they can pressure/subsidise to follow stricter environmental protocols. To hell with making luxury items like the Iphone cheaper.But this is not the point of the post tho. Regardless of whether or not first worlds countries outsource industry jobs out of China, China already has the will and power to use its influence and money to either buy out corrupt politicians or to bully their weaker neighbors thru their navy. To steal territory and resources with zero qualms or accountability about the long term impact of all the destruction they wrought.
This is happening right now. People can hate Trump all they want, but he is right about China. Someone needs to put them in check and soon or the world will suffer for it.
No one here on the left is going to blame China for this. Most of the people on the left that post here are idiots and ignorant of the truth. They think Trump came up with the virus and China did nothing wrong. The reason they won’t blame China is because their brain won’t allow them to. No one else can possibly do anything wrong, but Trump. They have it engrained that the worlds death rate from corona is in fact his fault as well, that every person that dies is Trumps fault.
What’s flawed with this thinking besides their utter stupidity and lack of knowledge is they spread it to other mouth breathing idiots like themselves and it spreads worse than Corona.
Originally posted by Artol
Yeah, I agree with what you said, I am unsure about the mechanism to put them in check though. The US has already pulled some of its economic tools in a relatively unfocused trade war that is not going to address any environmental issues. Or regional power issues for that matter. If the Asian states were able to pool their resources to have somewhat of a counter balance that might be good, but I suppose fear of Japanese influence makes that relatively difficult. Additionally I’d almost say in terms of power Trumps actions have helped China’s power in the region.What do you think would be effective measurements to take and who should take them?
First and foremost would be an acknowledgement by the world powers of what China is doing. That China is destroying the environment with little to no accountability. I have so little faith in the UN/WHO nowadays. People can be bought and China has a lot of money to buy the people in power these days to such a degree that they tiptoe over what China is doing because they don’t want to “offend”. The point of the acknowledgement is to make sure we are all in agreement on what China is about, making it harder for corporations to simply hanbdwave via marketing in order to downplay China’s evil practices (see: Disney, Nike, Apple).
Secondly, tariffs and the removal of industrial jobs from China because of said tariffs. Transfer them to countries that are willing to be subsidised to follow envirnomental standards.
Third, a UN taskforce needs to be sent to the borders and waters of countries being plagued by these fishing fleets. It has to be a military fleet in order to deter the Chinese navy and must require that China conform to agreed upon non-destructive fishing practices as well as stay out of their neighbor’s waters.
Originally posted by Artol
Are you not worried that there could be an escalation though, China is a nuclear state after all, it’s not so easy to really deter them.
As with any bully, China will keep pushing until they get pushback. If they escalate, then escalation has always been in the cards. Personally, I don’t think they will escalate, tho, as there is no gain to be had with that.
At this point, the world must ask itself: should the world step in sooner where China can still be handled or step in later when China has pushed the US out as the world superpower and it may just be too late to push China back?
Originally posted by Silent Master
According to new reports, UPS found the missing documents and has now returned them.
This whole story is quite intriguing. I didn't expect to hear anything about it after this stuff got "lost" cuz it sounded suspicious, like "the dog ate my homework".
But in this case, the dog was located, its stomach pumped and lo and behold...some chewed up homework was found.
I have a question anyone can answer, but I'm quite curious especially how our left leaning posters will respond. So:
The question is: if you were a betting man would you be more likely to place money on Mayor Pete knowing this is unverified and still repeating it anyways? Or would you bet he is just so out of touch he didn't do any follow ups to this story and legit is unaware we still haven't verified it yet? I'm quite curious.
Originally posted by Artol
Are you not worried that there could be an escalation though, China is a nuclear state after all, it’s not so easy to really deter them.
People throw that word around way too much. It doesn’t matter if China is a nuclear power, they aren’t foolish enough to use it.
The second China lunches any nukes, every superpower will be out for blood against China.
Originally posted by Artol
I do agree with it being a danger to the environment, one thing I think is often not mentioned is that a large part of its environmental impact is the outsourced industry from the US and Europe. I also think that we need to look where the things whose manufacturing are polluting the environment are consumed. I think Europe and the US makes it much too easy on itself by pointing the finger at China there. it's true that they are a huge threat to the environment, but large parts of that is because they manufacture things at the orders Western companies for the consumption on the Western market.
This is true, Murika and to an extent canada as well loves our cheap electronic niknaks and such and in addition to us being part of a problem in that chain we ship our some of our trash to China/SE Asia where alot of times they simply dump it in the sea.
That said China even without dumping US trash has a large problem with pollution in it's country from air, land and water because of it's population.
To steal territory and resources with zero qualms or accountability about the long term impact of all the destruction they wrought.
There was an article years ago that showed phillipine soldies being housed on an old WWII sea vessel to just maintain the "authority" of the waters around the phillipines. China's assertion that the china sea is all theirs is ridiculous and alot of the countries in that region get punished because of their man made islands and navy.