An avatar of Yog-Sothoth speaking was compared to universes colliding and shattering; the pet dogs of Nyarlathotep caused and tanked the deaths of universes; Shub-Niggurath influenced the entire multiverse at some point and she's the weakest Outer God.
Azathoth one-shots all of them by waking up. Azzy is > Lucifer or Michael. I can see Lucifer and Michael beating Nyar or Yog, tho.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Michael created the entire DC megaverseThe upper HPLC entities have absolutely no feats, they are purely heresay, and hyperbole with no feats to support their reputation.
Feats > hyperbole reputation
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. It's basically like putting Jesus from the Bible up against the Hulk.
Finally some people with knowledge.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
No, it's more like putting the Presence or TOAA against the Hulk.
Well, if you re-read Prof's post, he DID say that it was 'based on feats'.
Moreover, TOAA/Presence at least are in a shared universe with other characters to scale off.
Presence is WAAAY above Spectre, who is above Superman, who is above Batman etc. So if Batman performs XYZ feats of speed, then Superman is faster etc etc.
TOAA is above LT, who is above Galactus, who is above....you get my point.
The Cthulhu mythos? Are separate. Have statements to their name (like TOAA) but crucially, have no other benchmark.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, if you re-read Prof's post, he DID say that it was 'based on feats'.Moreover, TOAA/Presence at least are in a shared universe with other characters to scale off.
Presence is WAAAY above Spectre, who is above Superman, who is above Batman etc. So if Batman performs XYZ feats of speed, then Superman is faster etc etc.
TOAA is above LT, who is above Galactus, who is above....you get my point.
The Cthulhu mythos? Are separate. Have statements to their name (like TOAA) but crucially, have no other benchmark.
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What we can judge properly, featwise is:
To defeat Cthulhu the force of a ship is enough. Humans tech > Old Gods.
They survived the Universes collapsing, they didn't tank it per se, how they did it is unknown, but who tanked Universes exploding? Superboy Prime, Hulk etc.
HP Lovecraft didn't intend his gods to be some all powerful entitites in a comic sense but nightmares that haunt humanity. Their power is the fear. They are not blasting suns out of existance etc. Most likely they would be like the other human made pantheons in Marvel, one Allfather and some gods on the level of Asgardians.
Azathoth - Michael/Lucifer loses
Yog Sothoth - Michael/Lucifer loses
The Nameless Mist - Michael/Lucifer loses
The Unnamed Darkness - Michael/Lucifer loses
Shub-Niggurath - Michael/Lucifer together wins (Separately loses)
Abhoth - Michael/Lucifer together wins (Separately loses)
Nyarlathotep - Michael/Lucifer together wins (Separately loses)
Lovecraft Omniverse most powerful Omniverse in fiction .
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Was there, a lot of copy pasted info from other wiki sites and the rest is just an pathetic attempt to pass the opinions of some biased people as facts.Actually, it's like KMC just without the great characters we have here.
I know vswiki's admins . They're really knowledgeable persons .
But you're prejudiced .
Originally posted by Photon-2
Azathoth - Michael/Lucifer loses
Yog Sothoth - Michael/Lucifer loses
The Nameless Mist - Michael/Lucifer loses
The Unnamed Darkness - Michael/Lucifer loses
Shub-Niggurath - Michael/Lucifer together wins (Separately loses)
Abhoth - Michael/Lucifer together wins (Separately loses)
Nyarlathotep - Michael/Lucifer together wins (Separately loses)Lovecraft Omniverse most powerful Omniverse in fiction .
You will need to read both source material, rather than attempt to rely on others.
And then, you would need to accept that sometimes, you just can't mix and match genres.
Who's smarter, Batman or Doc Brown from Back to the Future?
Who's more powerful, Jesus of Nazareth or Reed Richards, both with prep?
Is John Wick more skilled at fighting than Daredevil (using comic DD only, no powers, just skill)? Who'd win in a h2h fight, Anubis from Egyptian mythology or Harry Hart from Kingsmen?
Originally posted by Photon-2
Smart Aleck
Then , tell me a site that gives me the right information.
That's the point, also read DS wisdom below your post.
You simply can't say "blabla from this fiction beats blabla from this fiction" based on hyperbole and non feats. Even with feats it comes down to opinions. Making a site and pretending that this and that is a fact because some people think so is childish imo.
Better to read the source material, as DS mentioned, on both and decide for yourself, then you at least have an opinion based on something you have done. It will still stay just an opinion.
I, like anyone else here, just tell my point of view. If you want your opinion to be respected just accept that other people disagree and don't try to pretend you alone know the truth.
I was also an little smartass, and still am from time to time, but I work on it and try to grow up. So take no offense.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
That's the point, also read DS wisdom below your post.You simply can't say "blabla from this fiction beats blabla from this fiction" based on hyperbole and non feats. Even with feats it comes down to opinions. Making a site and pretending that this and that is a fact because some people think so is childish imo.
Better to read the source material, as DS mentioned, on both and decide for yourself, then you at least have an opinion based on something you have done. It will still stay just an opinion.
I, like anyone else here, just tell my point of view. If you want your opinion to be respected just accept that other people disagree and don't try to pretend you alone know the truth.
I was also an little smartass, and still am from time to time, but I work on it and try to grow up. So take no offense.
Dude, you do not know about the characters. That's the problem.
I'm talking to facts, talking to truths. But you are misinterpreting the feats .