Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You can't have your arguments responded to, then in the very same thread, parrot those same arguments that were responded to. You can't say Joker failed to debunk your arguments, while not having responded to him. 👆
Well, I will have free reign to do so tomorrow 😄
Is there any discussion actually happening here regarding Malak vs Ahsoka? (You know, the point of this thread)
On that topic, I'd say scaling above Darth Nihilus (via implied parity with Darth Revan, at least on board the Star Forge) gives Malak at the absolute worst the ability to compete with Ahsoka. Scaling above someone who can pull capital ships from the surface of a planet into orbit puts Malak's TK as immensely impressive. Stasising KOTOR Revan for like 30 seconds is a better Force feat than anything I've seen Ahsoka do (no I don't think Force pushing Vader like 10 feet is mega impressive, especially since Ahsoka had to exert herself a pretty solid amount to do it, and the attack did nothing at all to Vader). Also very impressive is stasising Bastila, then proceeding to fight and defeat Revan on the Leviathan all while continuing to hold Bastila in stasis (remember that Bastila, only 2 planets later on Rakata Prime, fought Revan, Jolee, and Juhani all at the same time, and even finished the fight by knocking them all to the ground with a Force wave). He even managed, at one point on the Leviathan, to hold Bastila and Carth in stasis, while also holding Revan with a Force whirlwind, all at the same time.
We also have the fact that his mere thoughts and approaching presence caused disturbances in the Force that Bastila felt, and he was powerful and corrupting enough that Bastila basically said she would fall back to the dark side if she re-entered his presence (on the Star Forge, after Revan beat her and brought her back to the light).
Malak having the saber skills to compete with KOTOR Revan on the Star Forge is also immensely impressive. The fight on the Star Forge was described by Drew to be a brutal duel that would have stretched over multiple pages if it had been written in a novel. Remember, KOTOR Revan (as of the Star Forge)>Darth Revan>Mando Wars Revan, who was stated to have learned literally everything the Jedi could teach him (which would logically include any and all things related to lightsaber combat), combined with the fact that Revan also mastered the Echani style of combat, which puts heavy emphasis on precognition (which of course grants its own advantages in a melee fight).
Originally posted by nfactor1995
Is there any discussion actually happening here regarding Malak vs Ahsoka? (You know, the point of this thread)
. Stasising KOTOR Revan for like 30 seconds is a better Force feat than anything I've seen Ahsoka do (no I don't think Force pushing Vader like 10 feet is mega impressive, especially since Ahsoka had to exert herself a pretty solid amount to do it, and the attack did nothing at all to Vader).
In other words, using common sense, it's clear that Vader, a vastly impressive force user can't tk Ahsoka to any significant degree which suggests they're fairly close to each other as force users.
That Ahsoka is a near equal of Vader is rather obvious when you realize that Ahsoka managed to have an upper hand or fight evenly with Vader for more than a minuite before finally being put on the backfoot despite them fighting on an implied nexus.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
What is it with the strawmen? Ahsoka pushing vader isn't what makes her so impressive(and no one's fcking argued that in almost a year now), it's that Vader, who's tk barrier can withstand explosions that can dissolve starships, didn't find it worth his time to attempt to tk Ahsoka until Ahsoka was off balance and had her defenses down despite Vader regularly abusing tk in canon.In other words, using common sense, it's clear that Vader, a vastly impressive force user can't tk Ahsoka to any significant degree which suggests they're fairly close to each other as force users.
That Ahsoka is a near equal of Vader is rather obvious when you realize that Ahsoka managed to have an upper hand or fight evenly with Vader for more than a minuite before finally being put on the backfoot despite them fighting on an implied nexus.
To respond to your 1st paragraph:
1. You realize that Force barrier =/= TK power right? Like, there really isn't any evidence of correlation (unless you can provide some that's clearly demonstrating that someone's TK is directly proportional and related to their barrier?).
2. Where is it stated or implied that the Malachor explosion dissolves starships?
3. Ahsoka was BARELY off-balance when he pushed her. Heck she didn't even lose her footing or show that she was flailing backwards, all she did was take like one step back, then Vader shoved her off the platform (casually at that). Also, proof that her defenses were down?
To respond to your 2nd paragraph:
Vader was driving Ahsoka back and had her on the defensive for like 90% of the fight, and she was clearly struggling to keep up with him during much of it, while he never really once indicated significant struggle. Yeah she can "contend" with him (which really just means hold her own and survive, there doesn't seem to be any point in that fight in which Vader is in any real danger of losing, from what I see) as evidenced by the fact that she survived as long as she did, but this puts her out of Malak's range...why exactly?
As stated before, Malak scales above Darth Nihilus, via being roughly (arguably) on par with Darth Revan, who is superior to Mando-Wars Revan, who is stated to be superior to Nihilus. Nihilus has very impressive TK - in fact, what has Vader done to put himself either on par with, or noticeably above Nihilus in that department?
Nihilus himself has one-shot Darth Traya, who has impressive feats and accolades in her own right. Nihilus also stasised (or stunned or whatever he did) Meetra, Canderous, and Visas Marr on board his ship, before making the fatal mistake of attempting to drain Meetra. This Meetra shortly after this encounter went on to defeat Darth Sion multiple times and defeated Darth Traya herself, all on the significant dark side nexus of Malachor V. Yet before attempting to drain her, Nihilus had her (and her party) dead to rights. And Malak directly scales above this level of power.
And again, you didn't respond to basically any of my post, so I'll post it all again here for you to properly address.
On that topic, I'd say scaling above Darth Nihilus (via implied parity with Darth Revan, at least on board the Star Forge) gives Malak at the absolute worst the ability to compete with Ahsoka. Scaling above someone who can pull capital ships from the surface of a planet into orbit puts Malak's TK as immensely impressive. Stasising KOTOR Revan for like 30 seconds is a better Force feat than anything I've seen Ahsoka do (no I don't think Force pushing Vader like 10 feet is mega impressive, especially since Ahsoka had to exert herself a pretty solid amount to do it, and the attack did nothing at all to Vader). Also very impressive is stasising Bastila, then proceeding to fight and defeat Revan on the Leviathan all while continuing to hold Bastila in stasis (remember that Bastila, only 2 planets later on Rakata Prime, fought Revan, Jolee, and Juhani all at the same time, and even finished the fight by knocking them all to the ground with a Force wave). He even managed, at one point on the Leviathan, to hold Bastila and Carth in stasis, while also holding Revan with a Force whirlwind, all at the same time.We also have the fact that his mere thoughts and approaching presence caused disturbances in the Force that Bastila felt, and he was powerful and corrupting enough that Bastila basically said she would fall back to the dark side if she re-entered his presence (on the Star Forge, after Revan beat her and brought her back to the light).
Malak having the saber skills to compete with KOTOR Revan on the Star Forge is also immensely impressive. The fight on the Star Forge was described by Drew to be a brutal duel that would have stretched over multiple pages if it had been written in a novel. Remember, KOTOR Revan (as of the Star Forge)>Darth Revan>Mando Wars Revan, who was stated to have learned literally everything the Jedi could teach him (which would logically include any and all things related to lightsaber combat), combined with the fact that Revan also mastered the Echani style of combat, which puts heavy emphasis on precognition (which of course grants its own advantages in a melee fight).