Nick Gillard's Tiers - Visual Representation

If Mace in a 9 with vaapad then you have to admit that Sheev legit lost to him.

Pick one

Originally posted by Kurk
If Mace in a 9 with vaapad then you have to admit that Sheev legit lost to him.

Pick one

Not necessarily. Yoda's a 9 but ultimately lost to Sheev.

But yeah I personally believe Mace legit won the Saber duel, but think he'd lose the majority.

Sheev drove back Mace with three freaking blows and Mace couldn't even react to him- he only parried three blows due to randomly angling his lightsaber to the ground and having the help of Kit Fisto.
Mace didn't legit beat Sidious, and he's not a nine. Gillard said he was a nine in 2005, he said Mace was eight bordering on nine in 2015 or 2016. It's clear "Mace is a nine" statements are outdated.

mace is an eight bordering nine and vapaad bost wasn't necessary temporary. As it is, regardless, Mace can uncircumstatialy compete with sidious in general as combatant.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Don't make the same mistakes Beni and co. Made when AP was faking quotes.

Tbh, Beni was the only one who sided with me against AP, and knew those quotes were fake. Aurbere and co, would be more accurate mmm

tbh AP is like the sith emperor. Had you and the rest of the swtorians known that she had been around since 2001?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
mace is an eight bordering nine and vapaad bost wasn't necessary temporary. As it is, regardless, Mace can uncircumstatialy compete with sidious in general as combatant.

The boost was temporary. Mace was fighting the man who had destroyed his beloved Republic- to arrest/kill him. Once Palpatine was arrested/killed, the boost would not be there.
And Mace can't even dream of holding a candle to Sidious, lmao. Sidious can move faster than Mace can react- even with Kit Fisto for help, Mace only parried three blows by randomly putting his saber in front of his body, and even then was driven back.
And in the movie, Sidious had Mace at saberpoint (aka at his mercy) in seconds. Mace cannot compete with Sidious saber-wise.
And, Force-wise, Maul+Savage (a duo who demonstrated power feats above those of Windu's) got ragdolled by Sidious.
Mace, in any way, shape or form, cannot compete with Sidious and is fodder for an opponent of his caliber.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Sheev drove back Mace with three freaking blows and Mace couldn't even react to him- he only parried three blows due to randomly angling his lightsaber to the ground and having the help of Kit Fisto.
Mace didn't legit beat Sidious, and he's not a nine. Gillard said he was a nine in 2005, he said Mace was eight bordering on nine in 2015 or 2016. It's clear "Mace is a nine" statements are outdated.

At that point they started fighting as equals and yes I believe Sheev would've won had he utilized TK but ultimately lost sabers.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
tbh AP is like the sith emperor. Had you and the rest of the swtorians known that she had been around since 2001?

Yis, we were aware, he used to whap that out every time he couldn't actually win a debate. Also why do you still call him 'she', old habits? mmm

AP is a she isn't she?

ap is a fraud

Your mother is a hamster.

dats why i tease her wit my penis

q-q

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
AP is a she isn't she?

Last I remember 'she' was a she, had a child, then had a sex change to become a man? 'Her' twitter was that of a man for sure though, whether you believe the prior sex change stuff or not.

...

Why is AP such a creep?

Originally posted by thesithmaster

Mace didn't legit beat Sidious, and he's not a nine. Gillard said he was a nine in 2005, he said Mace was eight bordering on nine in 2015 or 2016. It's clear "Mace is a nine" statements are outdated.

Not sure how Gillard has the authority to actually change his ranking system
A decade later.

More likely the 8 bordering 9 quote is him just further expanding on the levels he used back then.

Originally posted by Kurk
Mace was an 8 at the beginning of the fight. Sheev could've killed him at any time up to their saber-lock when Mace's Vaapad kicked in (you can see the anger in his face).

At that point they started fighting as equals and yes I believe Sheev would've won had he utilized TK but ultimately lost sabers.

Yeah I agree with something along these lines. Let's not forget SOD Maul was able to engage both Mace and Secura, which further implies Mace and Sidious are not true peers IMO.

I definitely don't think it was a switch at a certain moment, but I think Kurk has the right idea that Mace steadily got more powerful as the fight progressed.

the assetion sids could have blitzed or near blitzed mace doesn't make sense. The quotes that ppl keep using, the ones saying he hadn't realized what happens express maces surprise at how quickly his friends are cut down,not that he couldn't see sidious's attacks which is an obvious falsehood given he reacted to sids more than once. There's no reason to assume Mace couldn't have held his own if outmatched without vapaad

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not sure how Gillard has the authority to actually change his ranking system
A decade later.

More likely the 8 bordering 9 quote is him just further expanding on the levels he used back then.

Yeah I agree with something along these lines. Let's not forget SOD Maul was able to engage both Mace and Secura, which further implies Mace and Sidious are not true peers IMO.

Gillard can change his rankings whenever he wants. He had Mace as a nine, but now has Mace as eight close to nine.

And I agree with your second statement. In twenty seconds, Mace fought evenly with Maul- toying Sidious demolished Rage Maul in twenty seconds.