Violence at Neo Nazi protest.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, bullshit. The Antifa members are violent thugs. Condemning violence on both sides is not Trump saying they are equally bad.

But both sides deserved their violence to be condemned.

Antifa = anti fascist. Not every anti fascist is violent or a thug. Every Neo Nazi, however, is violent and is in favor of violence and degradation. That is the difference.

You can condemn both sides, but doing it when one side just committed murder and the other side didn't just looks like a pathetic attempt at deflecting attention away from the evils of Neo Nazis and the KKK.

If/when there's a murder by an antifa on a seemingly peaceful member of a pro trump rally, I expect you won't have a problem when people use the same thought process you are right now and bring up stuff the Neo Nazis did in the past to try and minimize it.

You better hope he doesn't ask for proof, because you have no way of actually proving that every white supremacist at the rally is violent.

Originally posted by BackFire
Antifa = anti fascist. Not every anti fascist is violent or a thug. Every Neo Nazi, however, is violent and is in favor of violence and degradation. That is the difference.

Lol here is the thing. I'm an anti-fascist. Aren't you too? But we aren't members of Antifa, is the thing. You and I don't host websites that sell knives specifically made for a person to be able to sneak a knife into somewhere it wouldn't normally be allowed.

You can condemn both sides, but doing it when one side just committed murder and the other side didn't just looks like a pathetic attempt at deflecting attention away from the evils of Neo Nazis and the KKK.

I guess I would figure grown ups with those critical thinking skills you spoke about would realize that if you only condemn one side the other side feels more emboldened. Their violence didn't get called out, in fact some are painting them as brave little soldiers standing up to the forces of evil. And because they are dipshits, they will take that and run with it now. "Remember how we stood up to dem nazis for America?!"

If/when there's a murder by an antifa on a seemingly peaceful member of a pro trump rally, I expect you won't have a problem when people use the same thought process you are right now and bring up stuff the Neo Nazis did in the past to try and minimize it.

If some Trumpers showed up at a rally that had nothing to do with them and they lacked a permit and both sides then got violent? I wouldn't have a problem with the stuff being called out for both sides.

But here, this is my issue when stuff like this happens, this is from a CNN article about Trumps comments:

Both sides don't scream racist and anti-Semitic things at people with whom they disagree. They don't base a belief system on the superiority of one race over others. They don't get into fistfights with people who don't see things their way. They don't create chaos and leave a trail of injured behind them."

Notice anything strange? I sure do. First off they are correct that the left doesn't tend to hurl out racist things at people they disagree with. Of course they will totally pull out the race card when faced with others they disagree with. That is as much a way of shutting down conversation as screaming racial slurs.

You notice the "they don't get in fistfights" line? That isn't even true. Hell, it's not just Antifa. Anti-Trumpers have showed up to Trump rallies and gotten violent. To be clear, this is not to dismiss what happened the other day, but the point is the willful ignorance of one side in order to bash another.(This does not mean they do not deserve bashing)

They also apparently do not create chaos and leave a trail of injured people. Don't create chaos? Antifa sure does, and they sure have left a trail of injured folk(one dude got cracked in the skull with a bike lock). BLM have, in the past, blocked traffic and then smashed in the car windows of anyone who was white. They have attacked whites too, no deaths as far as I know. Again, this behavior totally contradicts what is being claimed by CNN.

Can you explain how this denial of reality will have a positive impact on our society?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You better hope he doesn't ask for proof, because you have no way of actually proving that every white supremacist at the rally is violent.

Lol indeed, because remember this was, from what I understand...about some confederacy shit, about a statue being taken down or something. Not all people who are against the removal of such a statue would all be foaming at the mouth white supremacists.

I'd also be curious about numbers. The figure for the rally was I think 6,000. I wonder how many the other side had? Also like I pointed out, they had a previous rally before the other one that didn't see this amount of trouble.

I would also still be curious as to an answer about the logic of the Democrats in crying he didn't specifically call out white supremacy. They had no trouble with Obama not calling radical Islamic terrorists the proper label. In fact some liberals lashed out at the suggestion, with "why do we need to call it that, how does it help?". How soon they forget. As I pointed out in the above post, CNN has literally claimed the other side doesn't even engage in fist fights lol.

We are at the point where media outlets completely ignore reality just to take another shot at the president lol. I bet you if someone emailed CNN evidence of the leftist violence they still wouldn't correct it. Weird thing is...CNN itself has covered some of that violence lol. The violence they just claimed doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol here is the thing. I'm an anti-fascist. Aren't you too? But we aren't members of Antifa, is the thing. You and I don't host websites that sell knives specifically made for a person to be able to sneak a knife into somewhere it wouldn't normally be allowed.

I guess I would figure grown ups with those critical thinking skills you spoke about would realize that if you only condemn one side the other side feels more emboldened. Their violence didn't get called out, in fact some are painting them as brave little soldiers standing up to the forces of evil. And because they are dipshits, they will take that and run with it now. "Remember how we stood up to dem nazis for America?!"

If some Trumpers showed up at a rally that had nothing to do with them and they lacked a permit and both sides then got violent? I wouldn't have a problem with the stuff being called out for both sides.

But here, this is my issue when stuff like this happens, this is from a CNN article about Trumps comments:

[b]Both sides don't scream racist and anti-Semitic things at people with whom they disagree. They don't base a belief system on the superiority of one race over others. They don't get into fistfights with people who don't see things their way. They don't create chaos and leave a trail of injured behind them."

Notice anything strange? I sure do. First off they are correct that the left doesn't tend to hurl out racist things at people they disagree with. Of course they will totally pull out the race card when faced with others they disagree with. That is as much a way of shutting down conversation as screaming racial slurs.

You notice the "they don't get in fistfights" line? That isn't even true. Hell, it's not just Antifa. Anti-Trumpers have showed up to Trump rallies and gotten violent. To be clear, this is not to dismiss what happened the other day, but the point is the willful ignorance of one side in order to bash another.(This does not mean they do not deserve bashing)

They also apparently do not create chaos and leave a trail of injured people. Don't create chaos? Antifa sure does, and they sure have left a trail of injured folk(one dude got cracked in the skull with a bike lock). BLM have, in the past, blocked traffic and then smashed in the car windows of anyone who was white. They have attacked whites too, no deaths as far as I know. Again, this behavior totally contradicts what is being claimed by CNN.

Can you explain how this denial of reality will have a positive impact on our society? [/B]

Indeed, if you are only characterizing those who engage in violence as antifa then we are not. And as far as I can tell neither were those who got run down by that car, as they were merely marching and chanting, holding signs.

As I said, condemning both sides would make sense if they both did equally reprehensible things today. They didn't. Antifas got into some fights. Neo Nazis got into some fights and committed murder. Thus, on this day, Neo Nazis deserve the brunt of the criticism. On other days, when some antifas were largely responsible for committing violence on other peaceful protestors, then they deserve the brunt of the criticism that day.

I don't believe you. Your history doesn't support the idea that you'd have no problem with people attempting to equate Neo Nazis to all pro Trump protestors, and then bringing up Neo Nazis over and over after an antifa murdered someone. Because that's what you're doing. You seemed to have a problem with me saying that, according to video evidence, at the time the Neo nazi committed murder, the left wing protestors were not engaged in violence, but were marching in a safe, orderly and peaceful fashion. Most were not wearing masks or anything, and there's no evidence to support that those people who were run over by the car are the same individuals engaging in fist fights earlier in the day. The fact that you also seem to be having such issues with someone flatly condemning Neo Nazis without feeling compelled to mention that antifas are also bad on a day when a Neo Nazi murdered someone is telling.

Did you know that I'm not CNN? I'm not responsible for their reporting and I don't know why you'd ask me to explain something said on CNN. Was it because their point is somewhat similar to mine where I said that Neo Nazis have an inherently evil and violent mindset while that not necessarily being true for all antifas, but more poorly and sloppily made, and easier for you to ridicule, and so instead of actually responding to my point you pick out the CNN one to concentrate on?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You better hope he doesn't ask for proof, because you have no way of actually proving that every white supremacist at the rally is violent.

All Neo Nazis and KKK members are, yes. Not every protestor there today was a Neo Nazi or KKK member. But those that do belong to said organizations are definitely violent and I'm very comfortable saying that. They belong to an inherently evil and violent subculture with no redeeming qualities. They all have a violent mindset, every single one of them. The evidence for this is the history of their groups, which I already went over in a previous post.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Because there Are No More Nazis! They have been gone since the End of World War 2. When They LOST THE WAR!

Learn your history. [/B]

Do you really want to go on record as saying that stereotypes and what members did in the past is valid evidence for what all current members are like? Because Neo-Nazis and white supremacists aren't the only groups out there that have negative stereotypes.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not defending them as I find both groups to be repugnant.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you really want to go on record as saying that stereotypes and what members did in the past are valid evidence for what all current members are like? Because Neo-Nazis and white supremacists aren't the only groups out there that have negative stereotypes.

Not all groups of people are equal. Every single member of the KKK and every single person who identifies as a Neo Nazi is evil and has a violent mindset, otherwise, they wouldn't choose to belong to such organizations. Again, every single one. I have no problem at all saying that and have seen no evidence that would lead me to think otherwise.

Your statement is just based on stereotypes and your opinion, you have no actual proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your statement is just based on stereotypes and your opinion, you have no actual proof.

The proof is that they choose to identify with a genocidal and murderous ideology. Also this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

The only reason to do so is if they are genocidal and murderous themselves. The ideas are no different than those that led to genocide during WWII, the only difference is they lack the power to do so again so they've made a feeble attempt at rebranding.

But yes, it is my opinion that all Neo Nazis and KKK members are evil violent and reprehensible human beings. As I said, I'm extremely comfortable saying that.

But hey if you want to think that some Neo Nazis are just fine and swell, be my guest.

Originally posted by BackFire
The proof is that they choose to identify with a genocidal and murderous ideology. The only reason to do so is if they are genocidal and murderous themselves. The ideas are no different than those that led to genocide during WWII, the only difference is they lack the power to do so again so they've made a feeble attempt at rebranding.

But yes, it is my opinion that all Neo Nazis and KKK members are evil violent and reprehensible human beings. As I said, I'm extremely comfortable saying that.

But hey if you want to think that some Neo Nazis are just fine and swell, be my guest.

That isn't proof that they're violent, at best it's proof that they agree with a bigoted ideology. Now, I have no problem with you having the opinion that they're all violent, my only problem was you appeared to be presenting it as a statement of fact. Now that you've clarified that it's only an opinion, I consider the matter settled.

BTW, I've already stated that I find them repugnant, so this idea that I think some of them are swell is just another example of an opinion that has zero proof backing it up.

Wow, what a sickening event to wake up to. American politics is really going off into the deep end isn't it?

This is why I'm not a total supporter of the 1st amendment, because it protects the rights of scum to rally and organise. The governor of Virginia said to the neo-nazis should go home. But as far as I'm concerned they should be made to. 😘

But this is the States. Where the KKK are still a legal organisation. 🙁

Sad but not surprising that Trump failed to even address that someone was murdered by a terroist, let alone condemn this recent explosion of white supremacy.

Sad and pathetic that the first thing Sabby and Fly did in this thread was attack the OP, like the pair of shit stains they are.

Originally posted by Surtur
Let's just put the neo nazis and antifa in some big stadium and let them fight it out.

And I'll be in the stands watching with a bag of popcorn and a bottle of Pepsi, intently watching on and enjoying the show.

Nothing worse than left and right extremism. Radicalism on either end are societal cancer.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Wow, what a sickening event to wake up to. American politics is really going off into the deep end isn't it?

This is why I'm not a total supporter of the 1st amendment, because it protects the rights of scum to rally and organise. The governor of Virginia said to the neo-nazis should go home. But as far as I'm concerned they should be made to. 😘

But this is the States. Where the KKK are still a legal organisation. 🙁

Sad but not surprising that Trump failed to even address that someone was murdered by a terroist, let alone condemn this recent explosion of white supremacy.

Sad and pathetic that the first thing Sabby and Fly did in this thread was attack the OP, like the pair of shit stains they are.

I actually can see where you are coming from on this. I just heard something that troubles me. White Nationalists are planning a "white lives matter" rally, and doing it on 9/11. Even worse...it's being held in Texas.

They have the right to do it, but this just will not turn out well.

Bengi**** is a complete liar. The first thing I did was call this a shit show.

Originally posted by Sable
What a shit show.

Oh bravo, you managed to stave out acting like a shit head for a total of 20 minutes. 😂

Point of fact, mutiple people said his OP was misleading including Jaden. And you are still a liar. So now thats two lies. And the third is I never defended or acted up about anything. So keep lying, prick. Now you just look like a fcking fool😂

But please continue to derail🙂

Originally posted by BackFire
Indeed, if you are only characterizing those who engage in violence as antifa then we are not. And as far as I can tell neither were those who got run down by that car, as they were merely marching and chanting, holding signs.

I'm not saying every single person there was Antifa. Just like every single person on the other side wasn't necessarily a nazi.

Most people are against fascism. Antifa claims they are, but their methods are the exact opposite of that.

As I said, condemning both sides would make sense if they both did equally reprehensible things today. They didn't. Antifas got into some fights. Neo Nazis got into some fights and committed murder. Thus, on this day, Neo Nazis deserve the brunt of the criticism. On other days, when some antifas were largely responsible for committing violence on other peaceful protestors, then they deserve the brunt of the criticism that day.

Two sides both exhibiting violent behavior can't be called out unless they are totally equal in violence? That's quite silly IMO.

Both sides got violent. ONE person committed a horrible deed. That is awful, but it does not negate the violence of the other side.

I don't believe you. Your history doesn't support the idea that you'd have no problem with people attempting to equate Neo Nazis to all pro Trump protestors, and then bringing up Neo Nazis over and over after an antifa murdered someone. Because that's what you're doing. You seemed to have a problem with me saying that, according to video evidence, at the time the Neo nazi committed murder, the left wing protestors were not engaged in violence, but were marching in a safe, orderly and peaceful fashion. Most were not wearing masks or anything, and there's no evidence to support that those people who were run over by the car are the same individuals engaging in fist fights earlier in the day. The fact that you also seem to be having such issues with someone flatly condemning Neo Nazis without feeling compelled to mention that antifas are also bad on a day when a Neo Nazi murdered someone is telling.

I stopped reading after "I don't believe you". Don't waste time asking me questions if you are going to immediately dismiss the answer.

Did you know that I'm not CNN? I'm not responsible for their reporting and I don't know why you'd ask me to explain something said on CNN. Was it because their point is somewhat similar to mine where I said that Neo Nazis have an inherently evil and violent mindset while that not necessarily being true for all antifas, but more poorly and sloppily made, and easier for you to ridicule, and so instead of actually responding to my point you pick out the CNN one to concentrate on?

...what? I was using CNN as an example. They flat out ignored reality here. It is utterly baffling for them to make a statement about the other side never getting into fistfights or causing chaos and injuries. It is bullshit like that which leads to it to be necessary for both sides to be condemned. They certainly are not the only outlets framing it that way.

All Neo Nazis and KKK members are, yes. Not every protestor there today was a Neo Nazi or KKK member. But those that do belong to said organizations are definitely violent and I'm very comfortable saying that. They belong to an inherently evil and violent subculture with no redeeming qualities. They all have a violent mindset, every single one of them. The evidence for this is the history of their groups, which I already went over in a previous post.

I'm comfortable with saying nazis are violent too. I'm just as comfortable saying Antifa is violent as well. They are the fascists here. Fascists and nazis, both utter garbage. Both deserve to be condemned.

Its hard for me to hear the left complain about Nazis when they elect people people like Keith Ellison.

This event itself is a tragedy, but I can't help finding Trump's tweet about it amusing. Not the tweet itself, but the reaction. The man seriously can't win. His tweet pissed off both white supremacists and people vehemently against white supremacy with 1 tweet lol.

People keep saying things he does aren't "presidential". But that played a role in him winning the election. People were not happy with the past administrations, they wanted something different.