The progressive fascists known as Antifa

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I could not care less about Anti-Fa. Conservatives only raise the subject as a "both sides have violent groups" deflection, or a "defend this, so I do not have to defend that" distraction. Anything to change the subject, so they do not have to defend the indefensible, or to muddy the conversational waters, to argue to a draw. The problem is that Anti-Fa is neither an albatross or a sacred cow for progressives, so it does not work.

whatever gets enough republicans off their asses to approve it. banning fascism worked for jersey, it can work for america. 👆

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're asking for details about a group that cloaks themselves in secrecy from someone who's not a member...

Because ISIS is so organizationally transparent?

Originally posted by darthgoober
lol We know that they do in fact have leaders from their own members...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_vX0tknJM

Go on facebook and you'll find established chapters...

https://www.facebook.com/search/str/antifa/keywords_pages?see_more_ref=eyJzaWQiOiIwLjIyNzM1MjE3OTg3MjAwNjg0IiwicmVmIjoic2VlX21vcmUifQ%3D%3D

Individual ad hoc groups have leaders. No shit. That does not make disparate groups a coherent organization.

Originally posted by darthgoober
How many people on the right? Cause if you say "all of them"' that would mean it'll never happen since Nazis are typically considered "on the right". In which case you should go ahead and say that you refuse to EVER condemn them regardless of how much terrorism they engage in. You basically support and encourage any violent actions they ever take as long as their victims are republicans.

Let's start with the president.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Let's start with the president.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Because ISIS is so organizationally transparent?

Individual ad hoc groups have leaders. No shit. That does not make disparate groups a coherent organization.

That's right, we know very little about the organizations leaders and such, and yet we still recognize they're a group.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He already did... your turn.

Did he though?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

[QUOTE=16294533]Originally posted by darthgoober

[QUOTE=16294529]Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The moment people on the right summon the courage to denounce White Nationalists without equivocation, then maybe I will muster up the strength to give a damn.

How many people on the right? Cause if you say "all of them"' that would mean it'll never happen since Nazis are typically considered "on the right".[/QUOTE]

Let's start with the president. [/QUOTE]

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's right, we know very little about the organizations leaders and such, and yet we still recognize they're a group.

Really? Because we seem to have a lot of intelligence about ISIS.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Did he though?

Yes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkq3_DYj_o

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: You are. You want to talk about Antifa and it's members entirely as a collective, when not even every group of Antifa is responsible for the stupidity. Nobody has done anything but condemn the idiots, but are then the entire movement responsible for the actions of the few? This is the same point I raised during the Mouldylocks affair.... Antifa is vastly different from the Nazis, both in terms of scale and scope, and of how far they are willing to go. Demonstrably so.

#2: You confuse the points here. Antifa has not killed anyone. The Nazi's have. If you undercut the severity of murder, that is not ok. And because it is something as severe as murder, no, it is not ok to take attention off that just to have a go at Antifa. You may think this is wrong, and good on you for that, really, but no. Being seen as condoning deliberate murder of an innocent in any way shape or form will universally be condemned in my POV.

The same could be said for Nazis. Not EVERY Nazi is responsible for this attack except insofar as supporting the ideology, the same holds true of Antifa. The lump themselves into a group that openly espouses violence and terrorism. If they lend support to the groups identity, they're part of the problem even if it's only indirectly.

No one's trying to undercut the severity of murder, but murder shouldn't be the line in which we acknowledge that violence isn't ok. Antifa may not have actually killed anyone, but they've sent innocent people to the hospital with acts of violence that COULD have killed them. That being the case, they absolutely deserve to be condemned immediately EVERYTIME they resort to their go-to tactics. Standing idly by refusing to try to get them in line UNTIL they finally kill someone is appallingly negligent.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Really? Because we seem to have a lot of intelligence about ISIS.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkq3_DYj_o

e·quiv·o·ca·tion noun the use of equivocal or ambiguous expressions, especially in order to mislead or hedge; prevarication.

So, no, he did not.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If we actually had a lot of intelligence on them, most/all of them would prob be dead.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The same could be said for Nazis. Not EVERY Nazi is responsible for this attack except insofar as supporting the ideology, the same holds true of Antifa. The lump themselves into a group that openly espouses violence and terrorism. If they lend support to the groups identity, they're part of the problem even if it's only indirectly.

No one's trying to undercut the severity of murder, but murder shouldn't be the line in which we acknowledge that violence isn't ok. Antifa may not have actually killed anyone, but they've sent innocent people to the hospital with acts of violence that COULD have killed them. That being the case, they absolutely deserve to be condemned immediately EVERYTIME they resort to their go-to tactics. Standing idly by refusing to try to get them in line UNTIL they finally kill someone is appallingly negligent.

This it the crux of it. Literally any criticism of Antifa, any mentioning of their violence and destruction is taken as an endorsement of nazis lol. The same people who prance around this board pretending to be intellectuals pull that tactic.

Even saying both sides were culpable in the violent clashes(a fact) is met with either hesitancy or outright hostility and accusations of being a nazi sympathizer. And now we have media commentators comparing them to frickin soldiers on D-Day lol.

But hey now is not the time to discuss this. Oh true, Antifa has...since the rally, gotten violent and disruptive at other rallies too. What needs to be done is you sit back and wait for them to kill someone and then it can be talked about.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you saying they are not honest about who they are?

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm curious about this as well. He asked you for proof and refuses to believe it once given.

And then he ran off and refused to acknowledge proof of the claim was given, and refuses to believe the antifa communists as they are self described.

Priceless.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[b]e·quiv·o·ca·tion noun the use of equivocal or ambiguous expressions, especially in order to mislead or hedge; prevarication.

So, no, he did not. [/B]

Leftist Regimes around the world have Enslaved, and Murdered
MILLIONS more then both the KKK and Nazis *of any kind* and yet they never admit to any of their own guilt.

Lol so Governor Cuomo of New York was late to the whole statue party and felt he needed to set himself apart, and there you go:

NY Gov. Cuomo wants Confederate names erased from Army base streets — and Twitter hammers him

It's not just street names either apparently:

"Notably at West Point — the United States Military Academy in New York state — there is a “Lee Barracks,” the Times said. And while Cuomo didn’t mention this building, a spokeswoman for the governor indicated it was also under consideration, the paper added."

Maybe if they renamed them after Socialist Murders like Stalin ,Che, and Pol Pot that would finally shut them up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He specifically said that the KKK, Neo Nazis, and white supremacist are criminals and thugs and are repugnant to everything that we hold dear as Americans. There's nothing equivocal or ambiguous about that statement.

When he was forced to read a prepared statement, which he took back less than 24 hours later. Say it with me: "equivocation."