Hal Jordan vs. Black Adam

Originally posted by zopzop
The JSA/WWIII Hero Mob showing is in question for BA (there's debate on whether he was amped or not).

The quality of the feat is stellar. It's the question of whether he was amped or not.

I'm not talking about WWIII.

No. It's like Terrax (mid herald) beating Firelord (mid herald). It doesn't make Terrax a high herald. [/B]

Terrax has never oneshotted Firelord or choked him out with one hand.

Heck he can oneshot her with a clap while weakened.

http://i.imgur.com/TC86IUl.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about this Zop.

http://imgur.com/a/FCtNI

Hal and Kyle were not Mind controlled.

I'm not talking about WWIII.

Terrax has never oneshotted Firelord or choked him out with one hand.

Heck he can oneshot her with a clap while weakened.

http://i.imgur.com/TC86IUl.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah. Can't say I really agree with your rating, but it's your rating, so fair enough.

Even New 52 Adam is HIGH Herald. He KILLED the Circle of Trinity AND Pale Bishop. Trans/low skyfather level beings.

You're simply wrong on this Zop. Dead wrong.

i think it depends on which version is being discussed. preboot adam was def high herald, no question. as was cm who, despite narration, has proven himself at the very LEAST equal to adam, though i've always thought he's more powerful, just nowhere near as ruthless. /shrug

current adam i am FAR from convinced by, same goes for cm. mid heralds at best from what i've seen and frankly, more than a little disappointing. i'm also more than willing to change that stance if i see evidence (not just outliers) that show some consistent portrayals that rival their preboot showings.

abhi is def right about the cm/supes rivalry. it may be viewed (historically at least) as THE great rivalry in comics of all time, given the company histories. as things stand now between supes/cm, i don't see it as much of a rivalry at all though.... which is a little sad.

Black Adam doesn't have any 'space cheese', but in terms of combat proficiency he is high-herald, almost bordering on trans, at least as far as Pre-FP goes.

He's had 1-2 low showings, and the rest are him decapitating Amazo, trashing the JSA repeatedly, laughing off Dr. Fate, treating Power Girl as if she's high-meta etc.

Originally posted by leonidas
i think it depends on which version is being discussed. preboot adam was def high herald, no question. as was cm who, despite narration, has proven himself at the very LEAST equal to adam, though i've always thought he's more powerful, just nowhere near as ruthless. /shrug

current adam i am FAR from convinced by, same goes for cm. mid heralds at best from what i've seen and frankly, more than a little disappointing. i'm also more than willing to change that stance if i see evidence (not just outliers) that show some consistent portrayals that rival their preboot showings.

abhi is def right about the cm/supes rivalry. it may be viewed (historically at least) as THE great rivalry in comics of all time, given the company histories. as things stand now between supes/cm, i don't see it as much of a rivalry at all though.... which is a little sad.

It's post crisis Adam. Meaning the same guy fast enough to keep up with Jay Garrick.

HJ gets blitz raped. No more silly constructs.

Adam is not beating current Hal. He is on a different level now.

This is post crisis Hal and BA.

Black Adam doesn't have any 'space cheese', but in terms of combat proficiency he is high-herald, almost bordering on trans, at least as far as Pre-FP goes.

He's had 1-2 low showings, and the rest are him decapitating Amazo, trashing the JSA repeatedly, laughing off Dr. Fate, treating Power Girl as if she's high-meta etc.

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He's basically continuing that trend post Flashpoint, too.

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't hate the Marvel family. I hate how people exaggerate their power level. The most powerful of them, CM and BA, are at the low end of Mid Herald at their BEST (no outside amping). Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr are at the low end of High Meta at their BEST.