Originally posted by Stoic
Wonder Man was mentioned earlier during this discussion. He was also on the team that had extreme problems in putting Adam down. Has it ever been mentioned and accepted that Adam was holding back while he was confronted by the Avengers? People mentioned that Adam was a cruiser weight. Didn't read anyone objecting to that nonsense. I'm here to object based on who we can use to measure what weight class Adam is actually in. You stepped to me KM not the other way around.
Then I apologize as I honestly didn't see any reference to Wonder Man hence why I said what? as was confused then see you response questioning things I never said or implied.
Adam is not a cruiserweight. I object to that.
Originally posted by carver9
Not saying you're wrong but can you provide scans please. He also doesn't stack up well against Superman level beings anyways. Supergirl also dropped him quickly.Yes, Sinestro scraped him against the ground ripping the skin off of his body and then proceeded at stomping him and again, Sinestro power was near gone. If Sinestro was at full power then that would've been ok but...
Blue Marvel actually defeated beings. Sentry, Hyperion, portion of Shuma, Antiman, Pagan, Ultimate Hulk.
Concerning scans see my above post.
except he never dropped Mongul easily when he was full power in their first fight. Also once again how is losing to Sinestro a low showing?
Never defeated Sentry. Also he was messed up by the negative energy
King Hyperion - clean win. However, King has some lackluster showings
Shuma - was nothing that special. Good but not amazing
Antiman- had significant context already addressed
Pagan - did he actually beat him? Honest question
Ultimate Hulk - meh! as noted the Ultimates didn't have all their memories so weren't their true selves
KM I said on the fly enough to deal with Zod. You have to get it into your head that Adam is in Zod's weight class in terms of physical strength. Zod on the other hand does not have any defense against the way that Adam characteristically uses his powers. This does not have anything to do with the source of his powers, but more on how he has been able to use them. Zod isn't going to be putting Adam away with ease if he even can. Adam would have time during the fight to use his powers.
Another point is, wouldn't the part about being powered by solar energy be public knowledge when it came to kryptonians? This isn't a point that would escape a guy of Adam Brashear's intelligence.
Zod's chance of winning when we weigh everything out is slim.
Originally posted by Stoic
KM I said on the fly enough to deal with Zod. You have to get it into your head that Adam is in Zod's weight class in terms of physical strength. Zod on the other hand does not have any defense against the way that Adam characteristically uses his powers. This does not have anything to do with the source of his powers, but more on how he has been able to use them in reference to Adam. Zod isn't going to be putting Adam away with ease if he even can. Adam would have time during the fight to use his powers.Another point is, wouldn't the part about being powered by solar energy be public knowledge when it came to kryptonians? This isn't a point that would escape a guy of Adam Brashear's intelligence.
Zod's chance of winning when we weigh everything out is slim.
again if you referring to Mighty Avengers it took significant time to do what he did to Spectrum. That was spectrum who wasn't fighting him and stationary. Also was him manipulating anti-mater. Again based on what exactly he has no defense? How would adam have time during the fight to use his powers such as manipulate zods solar energy.
So now he has prep? and again when has blue done that on the fly in the middle of a fight?
Slim? I have seen no evidence of that. Being serious. What evidence?
Originally posted by -Pr-
So has Rebirth stated that EVERYONE is now their post-crisis versions and everything is valid again? Or is it still nebulous outside of Superman?
Nope. Seems to be select people. Superman focused hence why the new event is centering around Superman, Oz
Spoiler:and Dr.Manhatten
pre-crisis superman's dad
KM, I made mention of Sentry's weakness. Didn't try to slide by that one. Hope you know that.
Now imagine seeing a guy effortlessly flying away with an asteroid as large as a state. Does that give you the idea that this guy is a cruiser weight? That's all. Some form of acknowledgement in necessary in this case. Go out and ask a hundred people if they thought Adam was a cruiser weight.
You never brought up cruiser weight, but if you go to the beginning of this thread and read the nonsense that was typed out, perhaps you'll see what I am arguing.
Originally posted by Stoic
KM, I made mention of Sentry's weakness. Didn't try to slide by that one. Hope you know that.Now imagine seeing a guy effortlessly flying away with an asteroid as large as a state. Does that give you the idea that this guy is a cruiser weight? That's all. Some form of acknowledgement in necessary in this case. Go out and ask a hundred people if they thought Adam was a cruiser weight.
You never brought up cruiser weight, but if you go to the beginning of this thread and read the nonsense that was typed out, perhaps you'll see what I am arguing.
Yes the asteroid feat is legit. I don't believe anyone will question that. BM is NOT a cruiser weight. Actually said that already.
I may have to only started when I saw the ANti-Man fight referenced as why he would beat Zod and there was significant context behind it.
Originally posted by Stoic
Zod being a solar powered being, and Adam having the ability to manipulate energy to the point of performing surgery on a being composed of energy, and do it on the fly.
again when did he do it on the fly? As again if you're referring to Spectrum that took significant time nor was it in a battle scenario. Are you referring to something else?
Why didn't he manipulate King Hyperion then? That would have saved him a lot of trouble
Originally posted by -K-M-
again if you referring to Mighty Avengers it took significant time to do what he did to Spectrum. That was spectrum who wasn't fighting him and stationary. Also was him manipulating anti-mater. Again based on what exactly he has no defense? How would adam have time during the fight to use his powers such as manipulate zods solar energy.So now he has prep? and again when has blue done that on the fly in the middle of a fight?
Slim? I have seen no evidence of that. Being serious. What evidence?
How wouldn't he have time to use his powers? They're nearly innate abilities. That's like me saying how would Zod fire off his HV.
We know that Adam can make some pretty strong Force Fields as well. These should be considered as control effects, which Zod has no natural defense against. To deny that Adam can manipulate energy like a surgeon is nuts. From what we have seen on panel he would be able to muck with Zod on that level. Without solar rays, Zod is just a normal guy.
Originally posted by Stoic
How wouldn't he have time to use his powers? They're nearly innate abilities. That's like me saying how would Zod fire off his HV.
Blasts sure he will. However, manipulate Zod's solar energies???? Again when did he do something like that on the fly and in a battle?
Referenced it earlier. Why didn't he do that to King Hyperion then?