Originally posted by carver9
A Cyborg Superman who admitted he underestimated Zod and who doesn't have any respectable fts to not. Lol...Mongul at best is low Herald. Sinestro beat him with a depleted power ring, lol.Yes, Wonder Woman stomped him.
Are you referring to Hank? his pre52 stories are back in canon. There is technically two cyborg superman running around. Zor-El is the new52 version but Mxy brought back pre52 Hank and his memories ie. all his feats
Sinestro beating Mongul means he is low herald? What? There is also context too 😬
Riiiight Carver.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you talking about Mighty Avengers #3?. It took SIGNFICANT time and Monica was holding in a single place and it was all anti-matter. Actually burden of proof is on you that he is in the scope to manipulate Zod. Nice deflection though.You said Wonder Man is a cruiserweight? What on earth did that come from? I was commenting on that. but really lot of text completely outside of the initial point mostly rambling and deflection attempts for things I never said or implied 😬
What weight class is Wonder Man? He isn't a light weight, because if that were the case, several of his feats would then have to be inspected. Ones that included Thor, Hulk, Hercules, and others. So I'll let you hash that one out.
How isn't Adam a heavy weight in terms of known Earth heroes? Let's not play head games KM, I have these special speakers that help to drown that shit out. King Hyperion was a heavy weight, and he lost to Adam. Without Adam, the Earth heroes involved with Anti-Man would have failed. Anti Man had no trouble at all nearly breaking the Sentry's arm, even though being weakened... even so, the rest of the Avengers were useless. Anti-Man was a heavy weight. Effortlessly flying away with an asteroid the size of a state should also be a clear indicator that the Blue Marvel was never a cruiser weight. How is it that I have to even mention this KM? And we still haven't even delved into Adam's ability to manipulate energy, which is something that I believe that you are trying to deny. Your posts are irrelevant to this discussion, as are your opinions until you can come up with something more solid than what can and can't be admitted as evidence.
Originally posted by Stoic
What weight class is Wonder Man? He isn't a light weight, because if that were the case, several of his feats would then have to be inspected. Ones that included Thor, Hulk, Hercules, and others. So I'll let you hash that one out.How isn't Adam a heavy weight in terms of known Earth heroes? Let's not play head games KM, I have these special speakers that help to drown that shit out. King Hyperion was a heavy weight, and he lost to Adam. Without Adam, the Earth heroes involved with Anti-Man wold have failed. Anti Man had no trouble at all nearly breaking the Sentry's arm, even though being weakened... even so, the rest of the Avengers were useless. Anti-Man was a heavy weight. Effortlessly flying away with an asteroid the size of a state should also be a clear indicator that the Blue Marvel was never a cruiser weight. How is it that I have to even mention this KM? And we still haven't even delved into Adam's ability to manipulate energy, which is something that I believe that you are trying to deny. Your posts are irrelevant to this discussion, as are your opinions until you can come up with something more solid than what can and can't be admitted as evidence.
Once again where is Wonder Man coming into this? I don't get the reference.
Are you reading what I'm typing. WAS NOT referring to the blue heavyweight part but the Wonder Man comment. I do not understand this reference or why wonder man was brought up. Is there ant relevance? Once again lot of useless text that had no bearing 😬
Oh nice I see more deflection. you made the claim now back it you. Show he can manipulate Zod on the fly. Simple. You refered to the Monica scene but completely ignored the context and now your acting bitchy????
Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you referring to Hank? his pre52 stories are back in canon. There is technically two cyborg superman running around. Zor-El is the new52 version but Mxy brought back pre52 Hank and his memories ie. all his featsSinestro beating Mongul means he is low herald? What? There is also context too 😬
Riiiight Carver.
I'm referring to the Cyborg Superman that was just restored to full power in that issue. He doesn't have any fts and again, he admitted he underestimated Zod.
It's a terrible showing tbh because Sinestro power was near gone. I'm asking you what makes you think Zod pulls the majority here because he hasn't done nothing BM could not do.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm referring to the Cyborg Superman that was just restored to full power in that issue. He doesn't have any fts and again, he admitted he underestimated Zod.It's a terrible showing tbh because Sinestro power was near gone. I'm asking you what makes you think Zod pulls the majority here because he hasn't done nothing BM could not do.
False he had his entire memories of pre52 restored. Meaning everything he did is canon as its the same cyborg superman. And?
Not at all. Also how is losing to Sinestro a low showing again?
Already listed two, but noticed you didn't list why you say BM wins.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again where is Wonder Man coming into this? I don't get the reference.Are you reading what I'm typing. WAS NOT referring to the blue heavyweight part but the Wonder Man comment. I do not understand this reference or why wonder man was brought up. Is there ant relevance? Once again lot of useless text that had no bearing 😬
Oh nice I see more deflection. you made the claim now back it you. Show he can manipulate Zod on the fly. Simple. You refered to the Monica scene but completely ignored the context and now your acting bitchy????
Wonder Man was mentioned earlier during this discussion. He was also on the team that had extreme problems in putting Adam down. Has it ever been mentioned and accepted that Adam was holding back while he was confronted by the Avengers? People mentioned that Adam was a cruiser weight. Didn't read anyone objecting to that nonsense. I'm here to object based on who we can use to measure what weight class Adam is actually in. You stepped to me KM not the other way around.
Originally posted by -K-M-
False he had his entire memories of pre52 restored. Meaning everything he did is canon as its the same cyborg superman. And?Not at all. Also how is losing to Sinestro a low showing again?
Already listed two, but noticed you didn't list why you say BM wins.
Not saying you're wrong but can you provide scans please. He also doesn't stack up well against Superman level beings anyways. Supergirl also dropped him quickly.
Yes, Sinestro scraped him against the ground ripping the skin off of his body and then proceeded at stomping him and again, Sinestro power was near gone. If Sinestro was at full power then that would've been ok but...
Blue Marvel actually defeated beings. Sentry, Hyperion, portion of Shuma, Antiman, Pagan, Ultimate Hulk.