Originally posted by Stoic
We know that Adam can make some pretty strong Force Fields as well. These should be considered as control effects, which Zod has no natural defense against. To deny that Adam can manipulate energy like a surgeon, and has done so shows that he would be able to muck with Zod on that level. Without solar rays, Zod is just a normal guy.
Eh? what is your opinion BM's best shield feat then
You don't have any instances of Adam doing it on the fly do you? Just give me an example. Simple. He can perform energy manipulation like a surgeon like he did to Spectrum. However, he had a lot of time and wasn't in the middle of a fight. Once again ARE YOU REFERING TO SOMETHING ELSE?
Originally posted by -K-M-
again when did he do it on the fly? As again if you're referring to Spectrum that took significant time nor was it in a battle scenario. Are you referring to something else?Why didn't he manipulate King Hyperion then? That would have saved him a lot of trouble
But it was a surgery, it was more complicated than locking unto a solar powered mans energy signature and mucking around with him. Adam would have the time, because Adam has been shown to be able to contend with guys in Zod's weight class, but Zod can not produce any defense against Adam's powers, or how he uses them. Zod is on the losing side imo, because of the huge gap in his defenses against a guy like Adam.
Originally posted by Stoic
But it was a surgery, it was more complicated than locking unto a solar powered mans energy signature and mucking around with him. Adam would have the time, because Adam has been shown to be able to contend with guys in Zod's weight class, but Zod can not produce any defense against Adam's powers, or how he uses them. Zod is on the losing side imo, because of the huge gap in his defenses against a guy like Adam.
Surgery which wasn't in a battle and had significant time to do. He had to focus on JUST completing the surgery with anti-matter. So now he can fend of Zod and do something complicated like that? Come on man. it's easy to manipulate solar energy? Why didn't he do that to King Hyperion? You're assuming Zod is just going to stand in one place too? That's one heck of an assumption with no prior feats of him doing that.
So do you have something any feat or story of BM doing something like that ? If not then your point doesn't have much weight. Not being a dick, but I'm not seeing much evidence he could do that and asking you if he has done something like your saying. If he has...awesome. Would love to see it. Encouraging scans or evidence
Originally posted by StoicAdam can only harm Zod with physical attacks like punches and kicks.
But it was a surgery, it was more complicated than locking unto a solar powered mans energy signature and mucking around with him. Adam would have the time, because Adam has been shown to be able to contend with guys in Zod's weight class, but Zod can not produce any defense against Adam's powers, or how he uses them. Zod is on the losing side imo, because of the huge gap in his defenses against a guy like Adam.
His energy isn't doing anything. If you disagree, then kindly give us some feats.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Surgery which wasn't in a battle and had significant time to do. He had to focus on JUST completing the surgery. So now he can fend of Zod and do something complicated like that? Come on man. it's easy to manipulate solar energy? Why didn't he do that to King Hyperion? You're assuming Zod is just going to stand in one place? That's one heck of an assumption with no prior feats of him doing that.So do you have something any feat or story of BM doing something like that ? If not then your point doesn't have much weight. Not being a dick, but I'm not seeing much evidence he could do that and asking you if he has done something like your saying. If he has...awesome. Would love to see it. Encouraging scans or evidence
How long did it take him to see what was wrong with Monica? That's how fast his powers began working bruh.
Originally posted by Stoic
How long did it take him to see what was wrong with Monica? That's how fast his powers began working brah.
A long time actually. First had to switch his senses to Quark vision and then took sometime to actually manipulate her. They were having an extended conversation while Blue was still manipulating her. Which consisted of him adding photons, which wouldn't be a good thing to do for Zod.
Just because he can see doesntt mean much as it took him a long time to manipulate and he had his entire focus just on that
Monica - "just hurry up and do it"
BM - "Sorry finding the right wavelength"
Again has he done anything as your claiming. Please don't reply ignoring my statement. Has he done something similar or not? King Hyperion would have been perfect to do something like that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Zod oneshot koed Supergirl.
You mentioned this, and sorry it took so long to get back to you on it.
Supergirl is an impressive feat, but an abnormal one, because she could turn around if the writers felt the urge to push her, and one shot Zod. They are all in the weight class that this would be acceptable. However on Adam's side of the fence, he has yet to have a moment that he is one shot to the floor, by a guy in Zod's weight class. As of now, Adam has no low showings. Zod on the other hand, has several.
Originally posted by Stoic
Monica is variable. She isn't anti matter from my recollection.
Photons are anti-particles. He didn't even alter her photons he just added additional photons from his "anti-matter projection abilities" to shore up the weakened areas to burn out the infection. Which again took time nor would that be good tactic to use on Zod
Originally posted by -K-M-
A long time actually. First had to switch his senses to Quark vision and then took sometime to actually manipulate her. They were having an extended conversation while Blue was still manipulating her. Which consisted of him adding photons, which wouldn't be a good thing to do for Zod.Just because he can see doesntt mean much as it took him a long time to manipulate and he had his entire focus just on that
Monica - "just hurry up and do it"
BM - "Sorry finding the right wavelength"Again has he done anything as your claiming. Please don't reply ignoring my statement. Has he done something similar or not? King Hyperion would have been perfect to do something like that.
Yes he needs time to find the right wave length. I'm not saying that he would be able to instantly muck with Zod, but he would have the physical ability to contend with Zod until he found his wave length, based on the guys that he has been able to contend with which includes Pagan. Those images were about the feats that Adam accomplished, and were not about his failings. Or should we assume that after he picked up the pyramid, he suddenly lost his grip, and it crashed to the ground wrecked?
With King Hype, it was simply over too fast to resort to this tactic. He beat him down in seconds as we saw in the comic. If we were to give Zod the benefit of being King Hyperion's superior, how much more superior would he be? Would he even be superior? What do we base these things on? In Marvel, King Hyperion can push impossibly large objects, put a hurting on the Juggernaut (weakened), and claim to have defeated another version of Adam. I'm just trying to put things into perspective here. I don't believe that Zod would be able to take Adam down before Adam used his abilities like the force field that he used to hold the ghost of the Shaper of Worlds who happens to be on a team at odds with Dark Celestials. Adam with Monica's aid restrained this guy. In this case, Zod seems more like a fly about to be caught in more than just fisticuffs.
The Shaper of Worlds (Ghost), was caught during battle in the Ultimates. Sure it took time to formulate a plan of attack but, once one was made he used his powers immediately. Adam can clearly use his abilities during combat, and can feel and perceive different wavelengths of energy. Just doesn't look good for Zod.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes he needs time to find the right wave length. I'm not saying that he would be able to instatly much with Zod, but he has the physical ability to contend with Zod until he found his wave length based on the guys that he was able to contend with. With King Hype, it was simply over too fast to resort to this tactic. He beat him down in seconds as we saw in the comic. If we were to give Zod the benefit of being King Hyperion's superior, how much more superior would he be? Would he even be superior? What do we base these things on? In Marvel, King Hyperion can push impossibly large objects, put a hurting on the Juggernaut (weakened), and claim to have defeated another version of Adam. I'm just trying to put things into perspective here. I don't believe that Zod would be able to take Adam down before Adam used his abilities like the force field that he used to hold the ghost of the Shaper of Worlds who happens to be on a team at odds with Dark Celestials. Adam with Monica's aid restrained this guy. In this case, Zod seems more like a fly about to be caught in more than just fisticuffs.The Shaper of Worlds (Ghost), was caught during battle in the Ultimates. Sure it took time to formulate a plan of attack but, once one was made he used his powers immediately. Adam can clearly use his abilities during combat, and can feel and perceive different wavelengths of energy. Just doesn't look good for Zod.
Actually you were saying that he could. You repeatedly said he could do it on the fly. I asked for instances of him doing it. Also as I asked before has he multi-tasked like that before during a fight? Since when do off-panel fights hold much weight? This is new
With King Hyperion it was over to fast? Errr? Hyperion was actually winning the fight and stopped fighting to threaten some kids which allowed BM to recover and went bloodlust mode and "let loose" and beat him with punches. Keep in mind a weakened and wounded Exiles Sasquatch hit the same King Hyperion and put him on his knees and needed to recover. Again he didn't do it when he was losing and he didn't do it when he was winning. There is ZERO evidence to say he could do what your saying.
The rest is your opinion. Would like to see evidence of BM doing your scenarios. I respect your opinion, but youre making some large stretches
Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually you were saying that he could. You repeatedly said he could do it on the fly. I asked for instances of him doing it. Also as I asked before has he multi-tasked like that before?With King Hyperion it was over to fast? Errr? Hyperion was actually winning the fight and stopped fighting to threaten some kids which allowed BM to recover and went bloodlust mode and "let loose" and beat him with punches. Keep in mind a weakened and wounded Exiles Sasquatch (Magik sliced heather in human form in her back) hit the same King Hyperion and put him on his knees and needed to recover
The rest is your opinion. Would like to see evidence of BM doing your scenarios.
Adam can scan Zod on the fly to find his wave length, This is true. It will remain true because he's done so on panel.