Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 That doesn’t prove shit because Kyle wasn’t there when they fought and doesn’t know what happened. Hal only had to fight the golem in the first place because the doctor revived Orion before the Golem left. 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️
Originally posted by leonidas
first, i've been pretty patient here, second, i was replying the abhi, but third, wt honest to gawd f are you going on about? 😂 planets perfectly aligned? why the hell would the planets need to be aligned? is this some other attempt to apply real-world physics to space cheese? lol like trying to suggest writers should/would have characters stop and break down astrodynamnics? i don't have a big enough facepalm..... geezus. you are really desperate to make this feat into something real-world meaningful, aren't you? that...can't be healthy. ❌like i said, i was replying to abhi, but since you seem to want to keep shoving your dc-coloured nose into things let me simplify for you: [b]SHOW ME HOW THE SHOCKWAVES WERE GENERATED.
simple enough? if you can't SHOW ME WHAT HAPPENED, then just admit you don't actually know wtf happened anymore than anyone else does and that your opinion carries no more or less weight than anyone else's. 👆
oh, you also seem to imply that orion>>>>>>>>hal+kyle. 😑
very sound reasoning developed from a rock solid premise brought about by some legendary scaling. 👆 i also noticed you seem to have this disturbing infatuation with alberto....? i mean you can't seem to stop bringing the guy up. i think you have some seriously unresolved issues to deal with my man... [/B]
Originally posted by leonidasIMO, This argument got that notches in terms of hostility was due to some people seemingly very double standard when discussing this feat.
first, i've been pretty patient here, second, i was replying the abhi, but third, wt honest to gawd f are you going on about? 😂 planets perfectly aligned? why the hell would the planets need to be aligned? is this some other attempt to apply real-world physics to space cheese? lol like trying to suggest writers should/would have characters stop and break down astrodynamnics? i don't have a big enough facepalm..... geezus. you are really desperate to make this feat into something real-world meaningful, aren't you? that...can't be healthy. ❌like i said, i was replying to abhi, but since you seem to want to keep shoving your dc-coloured nose into things let me simplify for you: [b]SHOW ME HOW THE SHOCKWAVES WERE GENERATED.
simple enough? if you can't SHOW ME WHAT HAPPENED, then just admit you don't actually know wtf happened anymore than anyone else does and that your opinion carries no more or less weight than anyone else's. 👆
oh, you also seem to imply that orion>>>>>>>>hal+kyle. 😑
very sound reasoning developed from a rock solid premise brought about by some legendary scaling. 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
IMO, This argument got that notches in terms of hostility was due to some people seemingly very double standard when discussing this feat.
For example: The people who questioning Orion's feat never questioned It appears the matter of dark dimension is more fragile, Which also made Hulk's feat hard to quantify.
I mean here you literally got Alberto saying Orion doesnt contribute any amount of energy in the destruction of the star system.
Not to mention Orion's feat is larger than Hulk's, in face value at least. Like many posters in this thread has mentioned(Phil, Galan, mrmind etc): Star system> a planet. And most people basically will take this feat as "Hey, They hitting each other and blowing apart the star system. Cool".
Im not saying I can give a hard number to this feat or quantify it. But superficially, Orion's feat is better than Hulk's. And Hulk's feat also isnt undebatable in this case.
Of course, This just my 2 cents
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Based on?There’s no way to quantify what percentage Orion " actually" destroyed. There’s no size or how many planets in the system. It’s a vague situation
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's no way to quantify Hulk's feat either.
At least we know exactly what happened . Orion’s feat isn’t a feat. At this point there’s no way of proving that Superman doesn’t drastically reduce his power output when facing Orion. I mean since everything is canon and all. His battle with Firestorm told shined some light on him. It actually made his battle with the Surfer seem spot on.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's clear that a solar system is larger than a planet, and that the Dark Dimension's matter is more fragile than in 616. Not debatable, PERIOD!
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Can you give me a hard number or quantify how many jouls Hulk puts in destroying the planet? Because you can argue the matter of dark dimension is fragile 🙂
doesn’t have to be necessarily. It’s on panel and backed by a definitive character statement not a open ended question like the Orion feat. 🤷🏽‍♂️
@Stoic
Problem is, we don’t know what Orion did, in terms of input. It never shows us anything. Nothing.
I know it doesn't -- and won't carry any weight for you, of course. I've seen people like carver, alberto etc. argue for hollow planets, small planets, etc. This is nothing personal, we all have our biases, the way "we want things to be" or "we want things to be the way they were, otherwise this forum sucks! so irrational!". I'm sure you can even say, even though the panel [key word] literally shows the Golem and Orion standing in front of each other attacking seconds before Hal appears -- you'll find some reasons that there's a non-published page somewhere that you can't see where Orion [or the Golem] is actually hitting a random stray planet/asteroid that we don't see, and they actually don't even hit each other to destroy the solar system just as a side-effect!But -- the point is that, no matter how many excuses [or you can call them interpretations] [actually they didn't hit eachother! actually, even though it's shown they do, we need to see more of the fight! actually, it might have not even been the fight, it was just a random planet!] -- most people here go "hey, that's nice, they hit each other and the solar system is completely destroyed just as a side effect"
In the end -- you can put how much stock you want into that. You can put how much stock you want into Orion bulldozing Hal in his own series where he is written at an insane level. Where his power is a supernova, where Kyle almost accidentally destroys Mogo with his power, etc. You can ignore any type of power feats, and just focus on fights. You can really do anything. It's your prerogative.
But -- let's not pretend we don't know what this is. Or a "this forum sucks". Or "abhi is trolling".
Truth of the matter is -- and I know this rubs the wrong way -- this feat is a greater collateral damage feat than anything Thor, Surfer, Hulk combined have ever performed [imo, of course]. We are awed by Surfer planet busting against Ravenous, we are awed at Thor cracking the planet and moon as collateral damage, we are awed by WBH and Betty destroying the planet as collateral damage -- but this is somehow nebulous. Ok. Again -- how much stock you put into this [or not at all] is all up to you. Does this mean that Orion is greater than all of them combined or something? No, imo. But at the same time, I'm not going to go "there has to be an explanation, this can't be happpeeeeniiiing! something off panel!".
Just my 2 cents, as Galan would say.
Originally posted by carver9I wonder if bashing and trying to frame people you have on ignore is against the rules in this forum... 🤔
Why are people debating against Darksaint? Let me guess, people are upset that he is voting for Hulk here like he always does. Don't get mad because he enjoys Marvel and always vote for them.
Originally posted by Stoic
At least we know exactly what happened . Orion’s feat isn’t a feat. At this point there’s no way of proving that Superman doesn’t drastically reduce his power output when facing Orion. I mean since everything is canon and all. His battle with Firestorm told shined some light on him. It actually made his battle with the Surfer seem spot on.
And again, you seem to forget when your characters have low showings (Cosmic Herald Thor and a rock, for example).
We are comparing their BIGGEST feats.
Originally posted by Stoic
We are going to assume that since there is no hard evidence that supports the events, or lack thereof during Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 thru 27, that Orion’s output would roughly be what his class tier is capable of outputting, which in my opinion is being more than generous.
Except he has done similar before. Like threatening to destroy the Earth, whilst attacking something at the moon:
https://imgur.com/a/sfDmmmK
Anyway:
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't know how in the hell there could be differing opinions, tbh. Planet-level vs. star system-level is a complete no brainer. As Phil said: we are talking about SEVERAL orders of magnitude here... 😕
Originally posted by Stoic
At least we know exactly what happened . Orion’s feat isn’t a feat. At this point there’s no way of proving that Superman doesn’t drastically reduce his power output when facing Orion. I mean since everything is canon and all. His battle with Firestorm told shined some light on him. It actually made his battle with the Surfer seem spot on.
Originally posted by leonidas
first, i've been pretty patient here, second, i was replying the abhi, but third, wt honest to gawd f are you going on about? 😂 planets perfectly aligned? why the hell would the planets need to be aligned? is this some other attempt to apply real-world physics to space cheese? lol like trying to suggest writers should/would have characters stop and break down astrodynamnics? i don't have a big enough facepalm..... geezus. you are really desperate to make this feat into something real-world meaningful, aren't you? that...can't be healthy. ❌like i said, i was replying to abhi, but since you seem to want to keep shoving your dc-coloured nose into things let me simplify for you: [b]SHOW ME HOW THE SHOCKWAVES WERE GENERATED.
simple enough? if you can't SHOW ME WHAT HAPPENED, then just admit you don't actually know wtf happened anymore than anyone else does and that your opinion carries no more or less weight than anyone else's. 👆
oh, you also seem to imply that orion>>>>>>>>hal+kyle. 😑
very sound reasoning developed from a rock solid premise brought about by some legendary scaling. 👆 i also noticed you seem to have this disturbing infatuation with alberto....? i mean you can't seem to stop bringing the guy up. i think you have some seriously unresolved issues to deal with my man... [/B]
Ohh resorting to personal attacks now are we? Was only a matter of time, you have a history of this and poor H1 hasn’t even posted in this thread. Does that mean you have unhealthy infatuation with him?
You think I implied Orion >>>> Hal + Kyle? LoL man great show of analytical deduction there. 👆 it’s not like Orion is a brash warrior and he may not show the same restraint that Kyle thinks he and hal would. Not like Orion and the golem had already destroyed a system and Kyle didn’t want that to happen again. Couldn’t come up with anything other Orion>>> Hal and Kyle? Yeah you couldn’t, not surprised because you brought up planets exploding and causing a chain reaction. 😂
I brought up real world physics? 😂 more of your great deducKtive skillsZ. 😂
If one planet explodes, the explosion from the planet causes another planet to explode a thus creating your chain reaction. Now if the second planet is on the other side of the sun a billion miles away, would that chain reaction be possible? No, for the chain reaction to occure the planets have to be closest to each other. That’s not real world physics, nor is desperation in my part with trying to find real world meaning, it’s common sense. Something you’re severely lacking based on your arguments in this thread. 👆. You appear to be clueless in a mind numbing way. I just can’t find a way to say it nicely. I shoved my nose into this because the sheer stupidity of your argument made my eyes hurt. Btw did you get a chance to look up “double standards” yet?