World Breaker Hulk's biggest feat vs Orion's

Originally posted by Diesldude
There are a couple of things wrong with your scenario. Ill explain later in my post.

The golem had Omega Beams attack that were precision based, deadly but no collateral damage and had energy based attacks that can harm green lanterns.

It needed time to charge his omega beams and while charging used energy based attacks. He wasn't using the Omega Beams attack when the shockwaves destroyed the System because then Orion would be dead and no collateral damage.

So now back to your scenario.
Ali in his prime would ko us in a second without much collateral damage. Like the Omega beams from Golem to Orion.

Now match prime Ali with Tyson in his prime, not going to get into who wins, but your room loses. More evenly matched opponents, no oneshot KO = destroyed room. The same thing with golem vs Orion, no omega beams, more of those attacks like the one he harmed Hal vs Orion going for the kill with no regard to collateral damage equaled solar system being destroyed.

This is why Kyle didnt want Orion to go against him, Orion wouldn't show the same restraint that the lanterns would if it came down to a none omega beams battle.

People have said that Orion boomed tubed out during the battle but that's false because every time the boom tube is used, there is a BOOM. there was no boom in that shockwaves battle scene.

Also the color of the attacks from the Golem was different than the shockwaves that destroyed the system so it wasn't all golem. Don't know if he was 99%, or 50% but if not specified in the comic, we usually accept 50% except the side that brings up planetoids, hollow planets and weightlessness in space.

You are a complete moron, the Ali Tyson analogy is terrible cuz they’re boxers not brawlers and would have no effect on a ring or room if they fought in it. 🤦🏽‍♂️.
Punches dont create shockwaves 🤦🏽‍♂️

Orion has never demonstrated that type of power before and it happens off panel and was NEVER confirmed by the character (Orion). It’s was an assumption by someone who DIDNT SEE THE FIGHT! It had to be clarified after the fact by the writer. Y’all out here trying to assign actual percentages to an off panel feat 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ That's ****ing desperate and hilarious
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Another way of putting it is - if we swapped Orion out for literally any other character in our tier list, where would we stop?

Let's say I replaced Orion with...a mid herald. Beta Ray Bill. Could we put BRB in that exact same battle, and it be 'realistic', or in Leo and stoic's terms, would it be believable for BRB to do?

How about...a Low Herald? Apollo.

High meta - could Ares be swapped in (as another battle hardened god of warrior type)?

Midmeta - could Beast Boy do it? Low Meta - Could 3D Man?

How about a street level character? If it is so mysteriously unquantfiable, if this happened in the pages of Batman, and Oracle fled from the battle in a Motherbox equipped wheelchair, would the character dialogue be believable? 'No, Barbara, last time you went up against the golem the solar system was destroyed, that was you, wasn't it???'

No, Alfred/Jarvis, that was you, wasn't it????

Of course it would be realistic for Bill to do it, easily. I don't even know why that was asked

Keep going, Albert. I know it's hard for you to read. Keep going down the list.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Another way of putting it is - if we swapped Orion out for literally any other character in our tier list, where would we stop?

Let's say I replaced Orion with...a mid herald. Beta Ray Bill. Could we put BRB in that exact same battle, and it be 'realistic', or in Leo and stoic's terms, would it be believable for BRB to do?

How about...a Low Herald? Apollo.

High meta - could Ares be swapped in (as another battle hardened god of warrior type)?

Midmeta - could Beast Boy do it? Low Meta - Could 3D Man?

How about a street level character? If it is so mysteriously unquantfiable, if this happened in the pages of Batman, and Oracle fled from the battle in a Motherbox equipped wheelchair, would the character dialogue be believable? 'No, Barbara, last time you went up against the golem the solar system was destroyed, that was you, wasn't it???'

No, Alfred/Jarvis, that was you, wasn't it????

Yeah that’s what I was saying 🙂
You made that easy

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah that’s what I was saying 🙂
You made that easy

So you're saying Alfred/Jarvis could replicate it?

And if Kyle said those words 'no, Alfred, last time you went up against the golem a solar system was destroyed, that was you ,wasn't it???'

It's perfectly logical and doesn't feel out of place?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Of course it would be realistic for Bill to do it, easily. I don't even know why that was asked

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah that’s what I was saying 🙂
You made that easy

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The sheer stupidity of your post hurts, what an idiot. This is all wrong 😂

speculation on top of more speculation.
Orion is NOT a hero. He’s a pig headed warrior who needs the Mother Box to keep him from raging out. He cares more for battle than safety and he was actively trying to get away from the Golem. He literally says “you should have left me dead”.
Kyle NEVER fought the Golem, Hal did and the Golem disregarded him because he wasn’t the target and MOPPED Hal to boot.
The OB one shorting Orion is plot too. Orion has survived the OB from Darkseid, master of the Omega Effect so unless you’re telling me the Golem>Darkseid.
Once again you make an assumption off of a character’s question that had to be clarified by the writer. 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Stop it. It's embarassing, It's not a feat. Never will be.

All in all, I think we can agree that Orion's feat is better than Hulk's. And Alberto should get banned for trolling 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying Alfred/Jarvis could replicate it?

And if Kyle said those words 'no, Alfred, last time you went up against the golem a solar system was destroyed, that was you ,wasn't it???'

It's perfectly logical and doesn't feel out of place?

Would it feel out of place but we but Supergirl, Conner Kent?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
All in all, I think we can agree that Orion's feat is better than Hulk's. And Alberto should get banned for trolling 👆

Originally posted by xJLxKing
10000% out of place

Would it feel out of place but we but Supergirl, Conner Kent?

Why would it be out of place?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
ya

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You are a complete moron, the Ali Tyson analogy is terrible cuz they’re boxers not brawlers and would have no effect on a ring or room if they fought in it. 🤦🏽‍♂️.
Punches dont create shockwaves 🤦🏽‍♂️

Orion has never demonstrated that type of power before and it happens off panel and was NEVER confirmed by the character (Orion). It’s was an assumption by someone who DIDNT SEE THE FIGHT! It had to be clarified after the fact by the writer. Y’all out here trying to assign actual percentages to an off panel feat 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ That's ****ing desperate and hilarious
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seriously you should have been aborted. There’s no way a dumb shitcan like you should be allowed to suffer being alive with that much stupidity. You got a device that shocks you every few seconds to remind you to breath. Man Your parents did you and everyone else a great injustice be raising you. I hope the care takers in your facility disable Siri and remove the speech to text app so we don’t have to see your posts.

Originally posted by Diesldude
hey cumrag tell me which part of my post was speculation?

😂 almost everything you said. Orion’s not a hero.
Kyle never fought the Golem.
Hal got mopped and regarded as a nuisance and didn’t do alright
Etc

Originally posted by Diesldude
seriously you should have been aborted. There’s no way a dumb shitcan like you should be allowed to suffer being alive with that much stupidity. You got a device that shocks you every few seconds to remind you to breath. Man Your parents did you and everyone else a great injustice be raising you. I hope the care takers in your facility disable Siri and remove the speech to text app so we don’t have to see your posts.

triggered a nerve eh

whenever your funeral happens i'm gonna come with a superman costume and play a joker laughing recording on my phone while jamming to taio cruz break your heart just for the laughs of it lmaoo

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
triggered a nerve eh

whenever your funeral happens i'm gonna come with a superman costume and play a joker laughing recording on my phone while jamming to taio cruz break your heart just for the laughs of it lmaoo

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I honestly can’t and that’s why I got ticked off. I can’t as it happened of panel. If they were equal opposites, I wouldn’t even argue this

Just the sorry to be implied that Orion was far weaker, hence the two times they meet on panel, he gets defeated very quickly (or admits he will)

My entire rant is that, although we can for most part agree. Orion’s feat is better than hulk. We can’t go around and claim that he can destroy a solar system based on this one feat as it’s not quantifiable

Agree?

Now, let's look at the issue. I will put this in chonological order.

1). Take a moment and, please, look at it carefully:

a). the Solar System still existing 3 seconds before Hal/Kyle arrive as Orion/Golem are in a blast off in space [we see the blast off and the solar system specifically in panel 1]
b). we see the shockwave from their blast off in space extending and approaching the planet [panel 4/last panel]

At this point we have a few facts:
- the solar system is not destroyed
- Orion/Golem are involved in a blast off in space
- there's seconds before Hal/Kyle arrive

I'm sure you agree here.

Let's move on to the next scan:

a). We see Graf [panel 1] feeling the destruction that is taking place on the last panel of the previous page
b). There are 2 seconds left panel 2
c). Orion and the Golem are standing in front of each other continuing their blast off [panel 3]
d). Through Graf's eyes you can see Golem and Orion still blasting each other as he mutters "I'm too late" as the shockwaves expand and take everything[panel 4]
e). 0 seconds left Hal and Kyle arrive.

Facts:
- Throughout this small time frame of seconds, Orion and the Golem are involved in a face to face blast off in space [we see the fight.
- In fact, for every second of this entire scene we see them face to face in a blast off, first through a wide picture of the solar system [not destroyed], then through a close up of them, then through Graf's eyes. This is happening in sequential seconds, in all of them us seeing the fight and destruction.
- we see the shockwaves approach the planets [we see the destruction]
- we have a timeframe [we get the seconds counter

And finally, Hal and Kyle arrive and we see what Graf saw was happening in those few seconds, which is that the solar system was destroyed:

We then see Kyle/Hal after the solar system is destroyed looking in the distance as the fight still takes place..

Only to hear a ping as Orion teleports from out of there engulfed in the energies of their fight:

At this point he is running from the Omega Beams -- i.e. the one attack from the Golem that can truly kill him. [a weapon that he needs to charge]

It is made clear that the Omega Beams are the ones Orion fears:

That is why you see him running -- he fought him off in a blast off [unfortunately for the solar system] until the Omega Beams were charged and then he got one-shotted.

This is quite clear just in case it wasn't, the writer hammers it over the head with Kyle telling Orion not have the blast off with Golem, as it destroyed the solar system last time:

And to top it all of, we have the writer confirming what we already know: Orion and The Golem faced each-other, face to face, in a blast-off in space, in a specified timeframe, with specific solar-system destruction, specifically due to the shockwaves, until Hal/Kyle arrived and the charged Omega Beams hit Orion:

So:
We see the fight [it's them literally standing face to face and trading blasts] through multiple viewpoints [far off, close-up, through Graf]
We see the timeframe [seconds]
We see the shockwaves approaching the planet, we see its destruction felt
We see the solar system go from not destroyed to destroyed, specifically by the shockwaves that are generated specifically by them slugfesting energy blasts
We see Hal/Kyle arriving and seeing the specific spot where Orion/Golem trade off hits, until Orion runs from the OBs.

Now, xJLx, can you honestly tell me that this is not a direct standstill power face off whose after shocks destroyed a solar system in seconds? That Orion in that face off where he stood face to face with the Golem, shown multiple times, until the solar system fell? That Orion stood there and wasn't treated as a bug until the Omega Beams came into place? This won't be conceding to abhi or any shit like that -- you're talking to me.

Originally posted by -Pr-
My personal stance is that if it's an interview with the writer and it supports what's on panel, then it's allowed as supplementary evidence. Just like a tweet or a reddit or forum post or whatever.

It can't contradict what's on the page, as the comic itself will always have priority.

I didn't know this (as carver9 slowly rub his hands together with a sinister laugh).

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't know this (as carver9 slowly rub his hands together with a sinister laugh).

Personal stance =/= a mod ruling, carvery buddy.