World Breaker Hulk's biggest feat vs Orion's

Originally posted by Diesldude
There are a couple of things wrong with your scenario. Ill explain later in my post.

The golem had Omega Beams attack that were precision based, deadly but no collateral damage and had energy based attacks that can harm green lanterns.

It needed time to charge his omega beams and while charging used energy based attacks. He wasn't using the Omega Beams attack when the shockwaves destroyed the System because then Orion would be dead and no collateral damage.

So now back to your scenario.
Ali in his prime would ko us in a second without much collateral damage. Like the Omega beams from Golem to Orion.

Now match prime Ali with Tyson in his prime, not going to get into who wins, but your room loses. More evenly matched opponents, no oneshot KO = destroyed room. The same thing with golem vs Orion, no omega beams, more of those attacks like the one he harmed Hal vs Orion going for the kill with no regard to collateral damage equaled solar system being destroyed.

This is why Kyle didnt want Orion to go against him, Orion wouldn't show the same restraint that the lanterns would if it came down to a none omega beams battle.

People have said that Orion boomed tubed out during the battle but that's false because every time the boom tube is used, there is a BOOM. there was no boom in that shockwaves battle scene.

Also the color of the attacks from the Golem was different than the shockwaves that destroyed the system so it wasn't all golem. Don't know if he was 99%, or 50% but if not specified in the comic, we usually accept 50% except the side that brings up planetoids, hollow planets and weightlessness in space.

But we don't know how much WBH contributed to his, was it 50% or 20% or 90%....

So per this logic, it's completely unquantifiable, and therefore it isn't a feat. in case anyone jumps at me, this is a completely crazy avenue . Am pointing out the inconsistency in people's logic.

@xJLxKing

Orion wasn’t trying to fight the Golem

My point is, if they fought and destroyed a solar system, great. We just don’t know the deals.
Abhi is trying to reach that somehow this automatically should be a 50/50 feat. We don’t know.

He is biased and applying a view that contracts the story.
Highfather is even running away and scared. Orion get one shot twice. Yet I’m supposed to ignore all on panel evidence for his outlandish claim

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 That's headcanon. There is no where on panel that showed they collided.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Shut the **** up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But we don't know how much WBH contributed to his, was it 50% or 20% or 90%....

So per this logic, it's completely unquantifiable, and therefore it isn't a feat. [B]in case anyone jumps at me, this is a completely crazy avenue . Am pointing out the inconsistency in people's logic. [/B]

The only difference is. The plot does heavily suggest that Hulk is a world breaker but that’s it

Yes. Orion’s is much better but we can’t use that as a feat. It’s a hard reach

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I need a play by play account but the entire story contracts what you are saying...

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Orion wasn’t trying to fight the Golem

My point is, if they fought and destroyed a solar system, great. We just don’t know the deals.
Abhi is trying to reach that somehow this automatically should be a 50/50 feat. We don’t know.

He is biased and applying a view that contracts the story.
Highfather is even running away and scared. Orion get one shot twice. Yet I’m supposed to ignore all on panel evidence for his outlandish claim

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
@xJLxKing

What I mean was Orion wasnt wanting to fight the golem, But when the golem already caught him and was trying to kill him. Orion certainly would fight back for surviving. That is how I interprete Orion and the golem's fight. Especially when facing the golem Orion's solution was literally fighting back before he knew he could rip his heart and relied on green lanterns to keep him alive

That I agree. Clearly there is gap between Orion and the golem's power levels.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Hey man I am going by what is explicitly written in the comic.

This is incorrect. The Golem had the edge over Orion because of the Omega Beams. We don't know how powerful the golem is but he did have that one shot kill which needed a recharge after each use.

While the Omega Beam is a precision based attack and is deadly to anyone that gets hit, it wasn't shot that fried the system. it takes the victim out, person victim is speaking with won't even feel a thing.

Again we don't know how powerful the golem is without the omega beams. Hal and Kyle did ok while engaging him. Sure the golem could be more powerful than Orion, but its not a lion to a mouse type comparison. Even if it was, Orion is a hero, they dont give up especially a son of Darkseid. His honor is more important than his life. He would rather die than fly. Was even willing to sacrifice his life to save others. Orion doesn't run.

We have a clear picture of orion and the golem in a fight before the system blows up. No omega beams were used because of the collateral damage. We saw the golem's Non Omega Beams, energy based attack against hal and it didn't have solar system busting power.

Ill try another way. Im going to mention collateral damage because that's what this thread is about.

1) Golem + Omega Beams - Orion almost dies no collateral damage.
2) Golem None Omega Beams shoots Hal, Breaks Hal's shields makes Hal shriek but the solar system still intact; however The Golem may not be in for the kill against hal.

3)Golem going for the kill (no O.Bs) vs Orion fighting to survive, Solar system gets destroyed.

Without the OBs I didn't see the golem have a big enough power advantage over HAL, Kyle or Orion. But according to Kyle a fight to the death between orion and the golem(non OBs) could result in another solar system being destroyed.

The sheer stupidity of your post hurts, what an idiot. This is all wrong 😂

speculation on top of more speculation.
Orion is NOT a hero. He’s a pig headed warrior who needs the Mother Box to keep him from raging out. He cares more for battle than safety and he was actively trying to get away from the Golem. He literally says “you should have left me dead”.
Kyle NEVER fought the Golem, Hal did and the Golem disregarded him because he wasn’t the target and MOPPED Hal to boot.
The OB one shorting Orion is plot too. Orion has survived the OB from Darkseid, master of the Omega Effect so unless you’re telling me the Golem>Darkseid.
Once again you make an assumption off of a character’s question that had to be clarified by the writer. 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Stop it. It's embarassing, It's not a feat. Never will be.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I agree! I never claimed it was a good feat for Hulk

The only difference is. The plot does heavily suggest that Hulk is a world breaker but that’s it

Yes. Orion’s is much better but we can’t use that as a feat. It’s a hard reach

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The sheer stupidity of your post hurts, what an idiot. This is all wrong 😂

speculation on top of more speculation.
Orion is NOT a hero. He’s a pig headed warrior who needs the Mother Box to keep him from raging out. He cares more for battle than safety and he was actively trying to get away from the Golem. He literally says “you should have left me dead”.
Kyle NEVER fought the Golem, Hal did and the Golem disregarded him because he wasn’t the target and MOPPED Hal to boot.
The OB one shorting Orion is plot too. Orion has survived the OB from Darkseid, master of the Omega Effect so unless you’re telling me the Golem>Darkseid.
Once again you make an assumption off of a character’s question that had to be clarified by the writer. 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Stop it. It's embarassing, It's not a feat. Never will be.

So much coping.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
That’s kings my point...
You don’t knit hot much Orion attributed to that shock wave. Was it 99% 1%.. etc

Out of curiosity, if you had to ballpark it -- give me a number for Orion's contribution.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I agree! I never claimed it was a good feat for Hulk

The only difference is. The plot does heavily suggest that Hulk is a world breaker but that’s it

Yes. Orion’s is much better but we can’t use that as a feat. It’s a hard reach

I mean....then sure. I think we are all in agreement with the last sentence of your post.

No one here is going to sit down and assign hard quantitative values to each feat. It is impossible. 1 Million joules? 10 billion? 1 trillion? Pfft.

But QUALITATIVELY, Orion's is better. One battle destroyed a planet, one destroyed a solar system.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Kyle didn't want Orion to attack the Golem again because he contributed to 1% of [indirect, through shockwaves] Solar System destruction?

Out of curiosity, if you had to ballpark it -- give me a number for Orion's contribution.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even 1% of energy required to destroy the solar system indirectly is magnitudes above destroying a planet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, the writer said it was due to Orion but we can't use it because he is not called solar system Breaker.

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I already explain why you can’t use it. The entire story heavily implied that Orion ran from the golem. Every time they encountered each other on panel, Orion gets beat quickly

The writer acknowledged the event did take place which I never disputed. A system was destroyed but nothing suggested due to Orion. We can’t attribute 90% or 1%. It all happened off panel

Had they been more equal opponents, I’d agree with you but the story HEAVILY implied the opposite

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I already explain why you can’t use it. The entire story heavily implied that Orion ran from the golem. Every time they encountered each other on panel, Orion gets beat quickly

The writer acknowledged the event did take place which I never disputed. A system was destroyed but nothing suggested due to Orion. We can’t attribute 90% or 1%. It all happened off panel

Had they been more equal opponents, I’d agree with you but the story HEAVILY implied the opposite

Hurr, durr, we can't use it for Orion.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Kyle didn't want Orion to attack the Golem again because he contributed to 1% of [indirect, through shockwaves] Solar System destruction?

Out of curiosity, if you had to ballpark it -- give me a number for Orion's contribution.

Just the sorry to be implied that Orion was far weaker, hence the two times they meet on panel, he gets defeated very quickly (or admits he will)

My entire rant is that, although we can for most part agree. Orion’s feat is better than hulk. We can’t go around and claim that he can destroy a solar system based on this one feat as it’s not quantifiable

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I honestly can’t and that’s why I got ticked off. I can’t as it happened of panel. If they were equal opposites, I wouldn’t even argue this

Just the sorry to be implied that Orion was far weaker, hence the two times they meet on panel, he gets defeated very quickly (or admits he will)

My entire rant is that, although we can for most part agree. Orion’s feat is better than hulk. We can’t go around and claim that he can destroy a solar system based on this one feat as it’s not quantifiable

Another way of putting it is - if we swapped Orion out for literally any other character in our tier list, where would we stop?

Let's say I replaced Orion with...a mid herald. Beta Ray Bill. Could we put BRB in that exact same battle, and it be 'realistic', or in Leo and stoic's terms, would it be believable for BRB to do?

How about...a Low Herald? Apollo.

High meta - could Ares be swapped in (as another battle hardened god of warrior type)?

Midmeta - could Beast Boy do it? Low Meta - Could 3D Man?

How about a street level character? If it is so mysteriously unquantfiable, if this happened in the pages of Batman, and Oracle fled from the battle in a Motherbox equipped wheelchair, would the character dialogue be believable? 'No, Barbara, last time you went up against the golem the solar system was destroyed, that was you, wasn't it???'

No, Alfred/Jarvis, that was you, wasn't it????