World Breaker Hulk's biggest feat vs Orion's

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Originally posted by leonidas
huh? i'm not sure if you know what a double standard is...?

the planet the hulk's destroyed died here:

https://imgur.com/a/0AhegsW

that look like a prolonged battle to you? confused

the difference between the 2 feats is we actually SEE the hulks collide--we see exactly how the shockwave was generated. with the orion feat, we don't. it's not anymore complicated than that. you and many others seem to be under the impression i'm denigrating the feat. it's a very cool feat that speaks to 2 very powerful characters, but i don't see it as meaningfully as some do because i find it impossible to quantify for reasons i've already mentioned. i mean when you get down to it, even the hulk's isn't really quantifiable. how big is the planet? bigger than any of the planet's in that solar system? laughing out loud

but i'm curious. since you seem so positive about what happened, answer me this: exactly how WAS the solar system destroyed? gimme a description of the event. that goes for anyone. and don't cop out and say "they created shockwaves!1!" laughing out loud

tell me exactly how these shockwaves were generated--what event or collection of events--led to them. can't wait to read some fan fic. maybe something good finally comes from this discussion. thumb up
I know exactly what it means, I don’t think you do though. It’s so obvious even a part time substitute teacher wouldn’t miss it.

Look at your scan. Clearly fighting even after the planet is destroyed.
https://i.postimg.cc/ryhmj0Xj/DC381...C7-DBB4-E07.jpg

Or are they shaking hands and doing chest bumps?
We have a single full page panel of Orion and the golem fight get called a prolonged fight and that the amount of time it took for them to destroy the system is questioned. That is ok but you have a problem with me calling this fight with wbh a prolonged fight as a counter? Yeah you should google double standards definition.

We don’t know how long WBH and Beatty fought before everyone was resurrected but it sure as heck didn’t destroy anything near the size of a solar system.

I don’t think anyone said that the feat was quantifiable and nor have I made any claims on how the system was destroyed. If you can show me any such claims that I made I would really appreciate it.

Shockwaves? Did you mean to respond to someone else but quoted me? I never brought up shockwaves? I never argued how it happened, just that it happened.

The people you should argue with and ask for a fan fic are the ones that are talking about ramnents of a planet at the edge of the solar system as some kind of proof that it wasn’t a solar system destroying feat. thumb up

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the planet was shattered when they collided. they continued to fight later, but....so?

i never alluded to the length of time the orion fight took. i don't really care. the duration doesn't matter to me--the HOW of the destruction is what matters. and THAT is what we don't know. cool, though. you say it's not quantifiable so we're sort of on the same page, i guess. cool feat is a cool feat, but that's as far as it goes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We are going with what ifs now? What if Hulk destroyed Universe with his Butt cheeks clenching, huh?

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abhi, the entire orion feat scenario is a what if. you seem to want to believe orion and the golem collided, (like hulk and betty) or smashed fists or their blasts met and sent off these shockwaves or something. MAYBE that happened. or maybe the golem smashed a planet when he tried to hit orion, resulting in the destruction of the planet. the destruction of a planet could easily send out shockwaves powerful enough to wipe out another planet that is close enough, in a sort of chain reaction. or maybe they smashed worlds individually as the fight progressed through the solar system. fact is--we don't know. not sure why that is so hard for you or anyone to understand. and resorting to real world physics? c'mon, h1....

the writer wanted us to see that two very powerful entities were battling. mission accomplished. cool feat. why it needs to be made more, i have no idea.

and there's nothing disingenuous when i'm the one admitting to you that i have no idea HOW the fight went down, what circumstances and events led to these shockwaves. hell, maybe orion was the one who one-shot a planet and contributed to the solar system being destroyed that way.

i'm telling you i don't know because we didn't see it. claiming anything otherwise with certainty? THAT is being disingenuous.

😂 all based on the assumption of someone who WASN'T THERE. All of this speculation is from the statement of someone who didn’t see the fight.
What we have seen shows Orion is nowhere near the level of the Golem so there shouldn’t have been a shockwave. Also when two lobe probes his mind Orion was running trying to elude the Golem

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, we know. Shockwaves are created when the energy can't move forward due to a resistance and instead disperses in a wide area. Its physics 101. In order to create such a Shockwave, both colliding forces have to be equal and opposite.

There are hundred, if not thousands of examples where this doesn’t happen

Originally posted by xJLxKing
stop it please

There are hundred, if not thousands of examples where this doesn’t happen

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Not arguing against it, but can you cite three?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And then shock waves doesn't even necessarily mean that. It can come from independent bodies:

you can see from your scan. The golem was shown dispensing out energies. We can't take kyles word at face value. Since he didn't EVEN see it happen Your point about Orion was the resistance is retarded cuz Galactus has created shock waves that dispensed into multiple solar systems. There was no resistance, he just did it. so that's out of the way 👍

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didnt the matter in the dark dimension is more frangile, Which was mentioned in Doctor Strange Sorcerer Supreme IIRC?

It's not as cut and dry as that. When this argument was originally presented, Hulkster posted scans showing that the sectors of the Dark Dimension governed by humanoid beings like Umar added gravity to the sectors that they governed after terra forming those sectors. While for the most part the sectors that were not terra formed were, and are more fragile. Umar's Kingdom had full gravity, and was filled with planets and a star.

Incredible Hulks 635, Umars calls them ridiculously annoying destroyers of her realm. There are 2 full books of their conflict, while you guys keep showing 1 panel, of an unquantifiable confrontation. When did Orion ever show on panel that he was capable of this type of destruction? I find it particularly amusing that anyone would compare the two of these guys on a level of physical strength. Orion may be more powerful in the sense that he cast blast things using the Astro Force, but on a purely strength level, he's not on WB Hulk's level.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's not as cut and dry as that. When this argument was originally presented, Hulkster posted scans showing that the sectors of the Dark Dimension governed by humanoid beings like Umar added gravity to the sectors that they governed after terra forming those sectors. While for the most part the sectors that were not terra formed were, and are more fragile. Umar's Kingdom had full gravity, and was filled with planets and a star.

Incredible Hulks 635, Umars calls them ridiculously annoying destroyers of her realm. There are 2 full books of their conflict, while you guys keep showing 1 panel, of an unquantifiable confrontation. When did Orion ever show on panel that he was capable of this type of destruction? I find it particularly amusing that anyone would compare the two of these guys on a level of physical strength. Orion may be more powerful in the sense that he cast blast things using the Astro Force, but on a purely strength level, he's not on WB Hulk's level.

So people honestly believe Pak when in thinking Hulk destroyed Umar realm only because of the difference in matter? You all are hilarious.

What

I gave up trying to understand the mind of carver a long time ago, even though I'm an expert on the mind

Originally posted by Stoic
It's not as cut and dry as that. When this argument was originally presented, Hulkster posted scans showing that the sectors of the Dark Dimension governed by humanoid beings like Umar added gravity to the sectors that they governed after terra forming those sectors. While for the most part the sectors that were not terra formed were, and are more fragile. Umar's Kingdom had full gravity, and was filled with planets and a star.

I have told you many times already - they did NOT add gravity, they merely stabilised it through magic.

Moreover, it wasn't Umar's race (she's Faltinian, the humanoid beings you speak of are Mhurruks).

But most importantly, stabilising gravity etc doesn't mean anything - matter is still more fragile in the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right.

I thought I would look into it.

Dr Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #21:

The EM spectrum (electricty, light) seems to be weaker. But the main thing is that gravity is weaker.

However, the Mhurruks stabilised gravity through magic:

Note that it doesn't say that they added gravity, merely stabilised it. They DID, however, through magic, create light. Umar and Dormammu, however, are NOT Mhurruks. They are Faltinian.

Dr Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #50:

Matter is more fragile than '616' matter.

Originally posted by leonidas
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the planet was shattered when they collided. they continued to fight later, but....so?

i never alluded to the length of time the orion fight took. i don't really care. the duration doesn't matter to me--the HOW of the destruction is what matters. and THAT is what we don't know. cool, though. you say it's not quantifiable so we're sort of on the same page, i guess. cool feat is a cool feat, but that's as far as it goes.

well Leo my post was intended for Trollberto. He kept making claims that the Orion system destroying fight shown on one panel was fought all over the solar system for a long period of time. In response, I called that hulk and Betty fight a prolonged battle not up until the planetary destruction but until the resurrection. During their fight only the planet was destroyed and not the surrounding bodies in the system.

I don’t know if the Orion’s feat is physical or energy based. I can’t make claims to either without 100% certainty. But the fact is that, he survived an event with destructive energies that dwarfed that was created by the 2 hulks, And the destructive energy from the hulks fight melted supposedly 1000x high herald level beings.

well Leo my post was intended for Trollberto. He kept making claims that the Orion system destroying fight shown on one panel was fought all over the solar system for a long period of time. In response, I called that hulk and Betty fight a prolonged battle not up until the planetary destruction but until the resurrection. During their fight only the planet was destroyed and not the surrounding bodies in the system.

ah, ok. so a miscommunication. 👆

I don’t know if the Orion’s feat is physical or energy based. I can’t make claims to either without 100% certainty. But the fact is that, he survived an event with destructive energies that dwarfed that was created by the 2 hulks, And the destructive energy from the hulks fight melted supposedly 1000x high herald level beings.

the last part is where we differ because it's impossible to say whether it's true or not. if the energy produced by orion/golem was released all at once, then yes, i'd obviously agree with you. since we don't know exactly how the system was destroyed it's not unreasonable to suggest it was a collection of smaller energy releases that wiped it out. /shrug

melting those characters is pretty much unquantifiable as well. would it take more energy to wipe out a planet, or melt a herald? 😂 such a crazy question. but there is definite proof that suggests a herald-melting feat>planet busting. i'm thinking of drax, of morg and there are a couple others i can think of as well. i don't think anyone would suggest gladiator would have melted a herald with his punches, or hulk would have melted/destroyed a herald when he punched that asteroid....

anyway, like i said, even by kmc standards, this discussion is crazy.

do the inbreeds really not understand the scale here?

one is solar system the other is planet

who cares how much force exactly of orion/wbh contributed to the destruction in both these feats, unless you have a specific way to measure the energy outputs

but on paper solar system > planet and moon

even fukin 5th graders can understand this concept

the double standard is hilarious to watch

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
They were equals, she had evenly the same strength as him. The Golem was more powerful than Orion

even if Orion only contributed 10 percent of the solar system destruction

Orion's showing is still orders of magnitudes bigger than Hulk's

Originally posted by carver9
So people honestly believe Pak when in thinking Hulk destroyed Umar realm only because of the difference in matter? You all are hilarious.

WENT IN THINKING

Lol nobody responding to carter so he’s bumping his own posts. Pathetic.

carver do people talk shit to you in real life like you experience in kmc?

how old is your son now?

Originally posted by MrMind
do the inbreeds really not understand the scale here?

one is solar system the other is planet

who cares how much force exactly of orion/wbh contributed to the destruction in both these feats, unless you have a specific way to measure the energy outputs

but on paper solar system > planet and moon

even fukin 5th graders can understand this concept

the double standard is hilarious to watch

Originally posted by MrMind
even if Orion only contributed 10 percent of the solar system destruction

Orion's showing is still orders of magnitudes bigger than Hulk's

None of that proves Orion's feat is bigger than Hulk's.