Originally posted by leonidasWouldn't this be a no limits fallacy?
Does it matter? What would have happened if the being wbh was fighting was far more powerful than he was? Would the destruction have been far greater? Did hulk actually reach a limit in that scene? Is there support that he couldn’t have become even stronger if he faced someone even more powerful?The fact that the questions are being asked point to the nature of the feats. /shrug
depends--has hulk shown a limit to his strength...?
anyway, after they fight everything is reset in hulk's battle. they only had the opportunity to smash ONE world. without witnessing how the orion battle went down it's crazy trying to gauge how much of it he was responsible for, making it impossible to compare it with this or any feat.
pr made some good points when he discussed the feat earlier--all of which i agree with.
Holy Double standard. 😂
Even Trollberto (I quoted him on the previous page) admitted that like the Orion fight, we don’t know how long Beatty and WBH fought. We don’t know the amount of damage caused by the initial collision and the rest of their fight.
We actually see WBH and Beatty have a prolonged fight while only one big interaction between Orion and the golem. Not a prolonged fight.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou need a lot more ">" there. A by product of Orion fighting the Golem destroying the solar system with shockwaves is as far above World Breaker Hulk, as World Breaker Hulk is above somebody like Luke Cage.
How's the planet exploding a side effect but killing those characters isn't? And how are these characters supposed to beat Orion when they will literally die by his fights Shockwaves which are way more powerful than what Hulk did.Solar system >>>>>>Planet carter. Learn some astrophysics
It goes to show you just insane DC have gotten when that's so far above is just glossed by as "please don't do that again".
Holy Double standard. laughing out loudEven Trollberto (I quoted him on the previous page) admitted that like the Orion fight, we don’t know how long Beatty and WBH fought. We don’t know the amount of damage caused by the initial collision and the rest of their fight.
We actually see WBH and Beatty have a prolonged fight while only one big interaction between Orion and the golem. Not a prolonged fight.
huh? i'm not sure if you know what a double standard is...?
the planet the hulk's destroyed died here:
that look like a prolonged battle to you? 😕
the difference between the 2 feats is we actually SEE the hulks collide--we see exactly how the shockwave was generated. with the orion feat, we don't. it's not anymore complicated than that. you and many others seem to be under the impression i'm denigrating the feat. it's a very cool feat that speaks to 2 very powerful characters, but i don't see it as meaningfully as some do because i find it impossible to quantify for reasons i've already mentioned. i mean when you get down to it, even the hulk's isn't really quantifiable. how big is the planet? bigger than any of the planet's in that solar system? 😂
but i'm curious. since you seem so positive about what happened, answer me this: exactly how WAS the solar system destroyed? gimme a description of the event. that goes for anyone. and don't cop out and say "they created shockwaves!1!" 😂
tell me exactly how these shockwaves were generated--what event or collection of events--led to them. can't wait to read some fan fic. maybe something good finally comes from this discussion. 👆
Originally posted by leonidasI know exactly what it means, I don’t think you do though. It’s so obvious even a part time substitute teacher wouldn’t miss it.
huh? i'm not sure if you know what a double standard is...?the planet the hulk's destroyed died here:
that look like a prolonged battle to you? 😕
the difference between the 2 feats is we actually SEE the hulks collide--we see exactly how the shockwave was generated. with the orion feat, we don't. it's not anymore complicated than that. you and many others seem to be under the impression i'm denigrating the feat. it's a very cool feat that speaks to 2 very powerful characters, but i don't see it as meaningfully as some do because i find it impossible to quantify for reasons i've already mentioned. i mean when you get down to it, even the hulk's isn't really quantifiable. how big is the planet? bigger than any of the planet's in that solar system? 😂
but i'm curious. since you seem so positive about what happened, answer me this: exactly how WAS the solar system destroyed? gimme a description of the event. that goes for anyone. and don't cop out and say "they created shockwaves!1!" 😂
tell me exactly how these shockwaves were generated--what event or collection of events--led to them. can't wait to read some fan fic. maybe something good finally comes from this discussion. 👆
Look at your scan. Clearly fighting even after the planet is destroyed.
https://i.postimg.cc/ryhmj0Xj/DC381-E9-E-54-A3-4-CF2-BF4-B-F66-C7-DBB4-E07.jpg
Or are they shaking hands and doing chest bumps?
We have a single full page panel of Orion and the golem fight get called a prolonged fight and that the amount of time it took for them to destroy the system is questioned. That is ok but you have a problem with me calling this fight with wbh a prolonged fight as a counter? Yeah you should google double standards definition.
We don’t know how long WBH and Beatty fought before everyone was resurrected but it sure as heck didn’t destroy anything near the size of a solar system.
I don’t think anyone said that the feat was quantifiable and nor have I made any claims on how the system was destroyed. If you can show me any such claims that I made I would really appreciate it.
Shockwaves? Did you mean to respond to someone else but quoted me? I never brought up shockwaves? I never argued how it happened, just that it happened.
The people you should argue with and ask for a fan fic are the ones that are talking about ramnents of a planet at the edge of the solar system as some kind of proof that it wasn’t a solar system destroying feat. 👆
Orion scenario is nice but also at the same time, not really that impressive
he fought a golem and solar system was destroyed. it's impressive and tells you what type of opponent he fought. That said, we will never truly know how much of the damage was done by the Golem.
Was the golem shooting beams, while Orion was dodge the them?
Were they hitting each other to the point that their shockwaves destroyed the solar system
I can't remember but the 2-3 issues didn't really go that far into details.
Originally posted by leonidas
Does it matter? What would have happened if the being wbh was fighting was far more powerful than he was? Would the destruction have been far greater? Did hulk actually reach a limit in that scene? Is there support that he couldn’t have become even stronger if he faced someone even more powerful?The fact that the questions are being asked point to the nature of the feats. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
depends--has hulk shown a limit to his strength...?anyway, after they fight everything is reset in hulk's battle. they only had the opportunity to smash ONE world. without witnessing how the orion battle went down it's crazy trying to gauge how much of it he was responsible for, making it impossible to compare it with this or any feat.
pr made some good points when he discussed the feat earlier--all of which i agree with.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Orion scenario is nice but also at the same time, not really that impressivehe fought a golem and solar system was destroyed. it's impressive and tells you what type of opponent he fought. That said, we will never truly know how much of the damage was done by the Golem.
Was the golem shooting beams, while Orion was dodge the them?
Were they hitting each other to the point that their shockwaves destroyed the solar systemI can't remember but the 2-3 issues didn't really go that far into details.
Originally posted by leonidas
huh? i'm not sure if you know what a double standard is...?the planet the hulk's destroyed died here:
that look like a prolonged battle to you? 😕
the difference between the 2 feats is we actually SEE the hulks collide--we see exactly how the shockwave was generated. with the orion feat, we don't. it's not anymore complicated than that. you and many others seem to be under the impression i'm denigrating the feat. it's a very cool feat that speaks to 2 very powerful characters, but i don't see it as meaningfully as some do because i find it impossible to quantify for reasons i've already mentioned. i mean when you get down to it, even the hulk's isn't really quantifiable. how big is the planet? bigger than any of the planet's in that solar system? 😂
but i'm curious. since you seem so positive about what happened, answer me this: exactly how WAS the solar system destroyed? gimme a description of the event. that goes for anyone. and don't cop out and say "they created shockwaves!1!" 😂
tell me exactly how these shockwaves were generated--what event or collection of events--led to them. can't wait to read some fan fic. maybe something good finally comes from this discussion. 👆
Bravo
Originally posted by abhilegend
But we did see the battle going on and even the writer confirmed it was their clash which destroyed the solar system. If the power released by Golem was really that much more powerful than Orion's, it would have simply overpowered the force, not create Shockwaves to destroy an entire solar system.
😂 What a complete dumbass
kyle wasn't there to witness the full extent of the fight so no I don't think we should go by it completely.
Orion has never shown feat on that level to say he had the potential whereas the golem should have been the almost 100% cause of it.
The golem ( God killers ) were creating echoes across the multi verse at the time of their creation. the feat was caused by the golem not orion. Kyle blamed orion because he was part of the confrontation not that he was partially the cause or something. If I kick a bomb to explode I'll be accused of the explosion not that I created the explosion by my own hands you moron:
And then shock waves doesn't even necessarily mean that. It can come from independent bodies:
you can see from your scan. The golem was shown dispensing out energies. We can't take kyles word at face value. Since he didn't EVEN see it happen Your point about Orion was the resistance is retarded cuz Galactus has created shock waves that dispensed into multiple solar systems. There was no resistance, he just did it. so that's out of the way ðŸ‘
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, we know. Shockwaves are created when the energy can't move forward due to a resistance and instead disperses in a wide area. Its physics 101. In order to create such a Shockwave, both colliding forces have to be equal and opposite.
Would you like me to give you a crash course of all the time physics and science does not apply to comics.
I could easily tell you that it was a golem attacking Orion but the blast hit/landed on a planet to cause the shockwave
It’s rather not fair to try and use that issue to attribute a feat to Orion that he is busting solar system
