Originally posted by Deronn_solo
How is Revan superior to Novel Vitiate when he lost as emphatically as it gets?
Vitiate was on a dark side nexus. His feat against Revan does not reflect his natural power level. On the other hand we have multiple quotes putting both Ulic Qel-Droma and Exar Kun above unamped novel Vitiate, and there's a quote putting SF Malak far above Kun. Revan defeated SF Malak nine times in a row while the latter constantly replenished himself, and then grew even more powerful from there. You do the math on how these characters stack up against Vitiate. I wouldn't favor the Shit Emperor's chances.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm sure that's why Vitiate needed to either charge up his energy or use a distraction to his advantage to beat Revan.Oh, wait, what?
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Not that Revan is superior to Vitiate, though.
You mean all the while Revan failed to hurt Vitiate even once with his own power, and his best attack only threw him back some meters, even when the Vitiate was practically unprotected?
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Vitiate wins, too powerful, and the Novel Vitiate>Revan Reborn>KotOR Revan>SF Malak chain is hard to deny. Wanted to point one thing out about the Revan vs SF Malak duel that I think might have been missed, though.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZBy the time he reached Malak, Revan would have been wearing robes forged purely from the energy of the Star Forge that were said to 'focus the inherent force abilities of the wearer, fuelling their power' (not sure if there is any explicit evidence that Revan acquired them, but he logically would not have passed up the opportunity) . Those robes would cancel out the nexus, since they were imbued with Star Forge energies, making the net negative effect small or near-negligible. Malak still would have been amped by a large amount, admittedly, and Revan wouldn't have acquired those robes until the very later stages of his SF run, but he wouldn't have been 'immensely' hindered by the time he got to Malak.
The fact that KOTOR Revan who, as you would put it, was "immensely hindered" by the nexus of the Star Forge,
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Why would he though? The Star Forge Robes would have been far more potent and would have allowed him to circumvent the hindrances from the Star Forge, allowing him to use force powers more freely (his strong suit). I'm also not sure what artwork is canon and which is not, but some seem to depict Revan wearing SF/Revan-style robes.
Nah. Revan wore the Qel-Droma robes against Malak, not the Star Forge robes.
Well, Qel-Droma had a vision of Revan defeating Malak in his robes.
I see no reason why that vision would be wrong. It seems like a moment of enlightenment before death. He even knows the name Revan, somehow.
So, that's really the only official image of Revan vs Malak we have. The other is from an historian and historically incorrect since it has Bastila there too.
In regards to why Revan didn't wear the Star Forge robes, I'm not sure. Perhaps he wanted to avoid all influences of the Star Forge, light-side included.
Yeah, it seems that the Droma Robes have more going for it, then. A vision is a much better account than a historian who only has 2nd hand evidence to go by. Don't suppose there will be any further KotOR related sources to officially clarify it, but the vision seems pretty solid evidence on its own (especially since Droma knew Revan's name, which would be more difficult to piece together than what he is wearing, imo).