SF Malak vs NoVitiate

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
How is Revan superior to Novel Vitiate when he lost as emphatically as it gets?

The nexus might be more relevant then we previously thought due to this new information.

No, it isn't. It just means Kun isn't as powerful as once thought. Outdated quotes that state Kun > Vitiate when the latter wasn't even a concept, let alone a character, mean nothing.

I don't know what is wrong with you people, kek.

Kun > post Nathema Vitiate. Unless we're assuming Vitiate grew a vast amount between Nathema and the novel then the gap between Revan and Vitiate can't be all that large.

The author who wrote Kun > any Sith before him stated that quote didn't apply to Vitiate.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Outdated quotes that state Kun > Vitiate when the latter wasn't even a concept, let alone a character, mean nothing.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The author who wrote Kun > any Sith before him stated that quote didn't apply to Vitiate.

Author statements that weren't approved by lucasfilms are meaningless and C canon statements don't get redacted after a new character is created.

The fact Vitiate soundly defeated Revan, invalidates Kun > Vitiate. Not some kind of way makes a nexus double someone's power despite that being stated absolutely nowhere.

The novel made it clear Vitiate is a beast above Revan. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Author statements that weren't approved by lucasfilms are meaningless

The author is clarifying something he wrote, not inventing new content. LFL's input is not needed,

@DC

But it doesn't. Gaps between characters don't invalidate canonical quotes.

There's only two options to go with here.

Either the majority of the reason Revan performed as he did was Vitiate's amp or it was Vitiate's growth in power between Nathema and the novel.

I don't like it either but if we're going to be consistent with how we view quotes that's how it is. The former feels more reasonable to me given precedents like Luke being too weakened on a DS nexus to take on a group of Sith.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The author is clarifying something he wrote, not inventing new content. LFL's input is not needed,

@Ant

An author has no authority regarding the work once they submit it for review. It's true death of the author since it's lucasfilms property after that point.

So LFL and the author can both say the quote doesn't apply to Vitiate, since they have, yet it still applies?

That sounds like nonsense to me.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
@DC

But it doesn't because there were external circumstances to that fight.

There's only two options to go with here.

Either the majority of the reason Revan performed as he did was Vitiate's amp or it was Vitiate's growth in power between Nathema and the novel.

Or, you know, Vitiate's existence invalidates a quote that was made before he was even an idea? His showings prove why the quote don't actualky apply to him by besting Revan?

Like I said, PROVE, not speculate that Vitiate wss amped to his eye-balls. And please, explain to me, how an attack that even staggered Revan, the person launching, that called on BOTH sided of the Force, did nothing but push Vitiate back some meters, despite being comletely unprotected and all of his attention was on dominating Revan's mind.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Like I said, PROVE, not speculate that Vitiate wss amped to his eye-balls. And please, explain to me, how an attack that even staggered Revan, the person launching, that called on BOTH sided of the Force, did nothing but push Vitiate back some meters, despite being comletely unprotected and all of his attention was on dominating Revan.

If it was a lightning attack or something, I'd agree, but let's be honest, high-tier telekinesis vs telekinesis rarely does significant damage.

Yoda vs Sidious, for example.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The attack seemed to be telekinetic based. I'm not sure what else you were expecting, considering the existence of passive Force barriers.

@DC

Canonical quotes don't get retconned with the creation of new characters.

I don't know whether he was "amped to his eyeballs" as you put it or not. We know he WAS amped and we know it's logical he DID grow in power between the Nathema ritual and the novel. How much in either regard is debatable though we know combined they were enough to place him extremely far above his post Nathema ritual self given his performance against Revan. As I said, I find the most likely option to be that DK amped him greatly given precedents like Luke being weakened enough for him to be wary of facing a group of Sith.

Personally, I think it's most likely the impact the nexus had, as mentioned. How about you? No opinion is wrong here since it's all speculation approaching a pre-determined outcome.

It wss said to be pure Force energy and radiated a flash of light, two characteristics that aren't usually associated with telekenetic power.

It didn't seem like TK to me.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'd expect him to be blasting Vitiate away tbh, if he was remotely comparable.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So LFL and the author can both say the quote doesn't apply to Vitiate, since they have, yet it still applies?

That sounds like nonsense to me.

That's just how it is. I don't make the rules, I just abide by them.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
That's just how it is. I don't make the rules, I just abide by them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LFL makes the rules. If they say it's not legit, then it's not legit.

Very true. But if no comment is made regarding the matter, we can't assume what the author is saying is legitimate. That'd be like some random fan saying their first person fanfiction of a canonical third person work is a valid interpretation that adds extra depth to the scene and then us all believing it.