Originally posted by carver9
Konvikt is outright amazing but he loses this. An injured Wonder Woman was doing well against him.
On the one hand, Konvikt has low showings (an injured WW doing well against him, apparently, being a low showing).
On the other hands, Gladiator's low showings are....yeah, let's not go there.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
What is the context of those showings ? 🙂
Gladiator's so called low showings are typically contrived. His detractors will say that Canonball beat him, Masterson beat him, etc. All of those are contrived defeats from writers trying to find a way to give the hero a win over a more powerful foe and those are from decades ago.
Now that Glads is less of the villain role, we see him one shot a Shi'ar Skyfather, knock She-Thor for a loop, stand toe to toe against Phoenix Force beings, go toe to toe against a Unipowered Sue Storm, be declared by Thanos to be the most dangerous of the Annihilators, take down the GOTG in one swoop with Angela as a member (Angela defeates Thor, Hela, and Bor) , etc.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Gladiator's so called low showings are typically contrived. His detractors will say that Canonball beat him, Masterson beat him, etc. All of those are contrived defeats from writers trying to find a way to give the hero a win over a more powerful foe and those are from decades ago.Now that Glads is less of the villain role, we see him one shot a Shi'ar Skyfather, knock She-Thor for a loop, stand toe to toe against Phoenix Force beings, go toe to toe against a Unipowered Sue Storm, be declared by Thanos to be the most dangerous of the Annihilators, take down the GOTG in one swoop with Angela as a member (Angela defeates Thor, Hela, and Bor) , etc.
So why do we giveGlads the benefit of the doubt (contrived plot for heroes)......but not Konvikt (WW)?
I agree they are contrived for the story. Just wondering why the double standard.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
None whatsoever 👆
There is context on most. His true low showings are generally under old Claremont issues. Canonball pulls the ability to absorb and redirect Gladiator's punch back at him out of his arse. Somehow, pulling living lightning out of the air is a powerful attack by Masterson. Both contrived.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
There is context on most. His true low showings are generally under old Claremont issues. Canonball pulls the ability to absorb and redirect Gladiator's punch back at him out of his arse. Somehow, pulling living lightning out of the air is a powerful attack by Masterson. Both contrived.
Cannonball still didn't ko Gladiator during that scene. People got happy because Cannonball punched him.
Living lightning showed up out of no where. Before that, Masterson was getting destroyed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why do we giveGlads the benefit of the doubt (contrived plot for heroes)......but not Konvikt (WW)?I agree they are contrived for the story. Just wondering why the double standard.
I never said you can't.
Can Konvikt duplicate the contrived methods? Will he have a nuclear power plant handy with just the right radiation type? Feel free to ask if Gladiator can duplicate whatever Diana does that is contrived.
And please tell me why Konvikt would even be able to see or react to a superspeed Gladiator? Folks here love to use that for Superman while declaring that we argue based on characters using their powers fully and intelligently. Why the double standard?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I never said you can't.Can Konvikt duplicate the contrived methods? Will he have a nuclear power plant handy with just the right radiation type? Feel free to ask if Gladiator can duplicate whatever Diana does that is contrived.
And please tell me why Konvikt would even be able to see or react to a superspeed Gladiator? Folks here love to use that for Superman while declaring that we argue based on characters using their powers fully and intelligently. Why the double standard?
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