Rank these movie beings by intelligence

Started by playa12586 pages

Yeah the OP does not make it clear if we are using the Nolan version or DCEU version.

Both

Batman didn't even make my list. He had other people invent all his tech, mainly Fox, in which it was already made. He painted them black. His company was bankrupted his own house burned down by being outsmarted by others. He inherits his money from his father. He can't even fight well. He basically sucks.

Originally posted by playa1258
That was true for the Nolan version. Jury still out on Batfleck.

Until the jury is back, Batman belongs at the bottom of the list.

Yes definitely for now.

DCEU Batman however is smart enough to figure out the identities of the entire Justice League on a whim basically.

Given his level of resources, How much intelligence did that actually take?

Supermans space dad is probably pretty smart.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What did Batman do to rank that highly?

created his own gear which includes a plane, all purpose tank, the flying fox, the mech suit any and all other weapons/gear in the batcave.

Its expressly shown in the film that Bruce and Alfred are making their own tech at the beginning of BvS when we meet Alfred hs modifying the cowl armour so maybe you should watch that film silent cuz you clearly haven't seen it.

On top of that Snyder and his wife have made many comments regarding Bruce building and modifying his gear on his own.

Quotes from Snyder himself:

"Batman will have more than one Batsuit that he’s continually modifying for the adventures that are gonna be had in this film"

Deborah Snyder responds, “It’s safe to say that I think Alfred and Bruce are building a lot of tech that helps them all. And I think you’ll see a lot more of that.”

"Alfred and Bruce develop an advanced suit in the “final chapter” of this story to fit the needs of the mission."

Originally posted by relentless1
created his own gear which includes a plane, all purpose tank, the flying fox, the mech suit any and all other weapons/gear in the batcave

Where is it stated that he invented them?

Nothing is saying he didn't either.

Originally posted by playa1258
Nothing is saying he didn't either.

Nothing was said that Batman doesn't have telepathy and the ability to clone himself ala Multiple man.

Are you claiming that he has those powers?

No, just saying we don't know if he did or did not invent his technology/weapons.

Originally posted by playa1258
No, just saying we don't know if he did or did not invent his technology/weapons.

We also don't know that he does or doesn't have telepathy or the ability to make duplicates of himself.

So why aren't you arguing that he might have those powers?

No I wasn't.

Originally posted by playa1258
No I wasn't.

That's the point of my question. why aren't you arguing that Batman might have those powers?

Originally posted by relentless1
Dr Manhattan
Tony Stark
Ozymandias
Cisco (Flash CW)
Batman
Bruce Banner
Lex Luthor
Spiderman (smartest version)
Dr. Strange
Jor El
Green Goblin
I think I'd agree mostly with this though Jor El should be higher. He was a lead scientist on a planet far more advanced than ours. That implies he'd be pretty up there. I'd also put Banner and Lex above Batman. Which version of Batman is this btw? He didn't make his own tech in TDK and I think he had people make his tech in the BvS (people were fixing up the Batmobile if I remember correctly, though this may be wrong).

Dr Manhattan
Cisco (Flash CW)
Tony Stark
Ozymandias
Jor El
Bruce Banner
Lex Luthor
Spiderman (smartest version)
Batman
Dr. Strange
Green Goblin

Also, I rank Cisco high because he pulls fake science BS out of his ass constantly. Not only is he an engineering genius who can make an anti-machine for just about every super power, he understands the inner workings of interdimensional and time travel well enough to make tech to make that kind of stuff capable.

I'm also struggling with whether or not Dr. Manhattan should be up there. He himself isn't inherently smart. He was outsmarted by Ozy, and all of his feats boil down to matter manipulation he can manage just because of his powers. He was also philosophically outdone by Silk Spectre. He can see a lot thanks to his powers, but I don't think he himself is that smart.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Given his level of resources, How much intelligence did that actually take?
Not much since some of them were taken by satellite and the others were videos and pictures taken by other he secured if I remember correctly.

He was outsmarted by Ozy only because he was able to block his foresight. His powers give him some of his smarts, he was putting together machines that recreated his godly power without any training or knowledge whatsoever. He is easily the smartest. On earth he was a lead scientist, which was amplified greatly. He would not have known how to build those machines as a human.

Originally posted by Sable
He was outsmarted by Ozy only because he was able to block his foresight. His powers give him some of his smarts, he was putting together machines that recreated his godly power without any training or knowledge whatsoever. He is easily the smartest. On earth he was a lead scientist, which was amplified greatly. He would not have known how to build those machines as a human.
Yeah but him getting his powers was a complete accident. He was a nuclear physicist who was tampering with "intrinsic fields" (made up). He and his coworkers were trying to figure out how this made up concept works. Every test failed and resulted in the disintegration of the object being tested in their chamber. He wasn't sure how it actually worked, but was learning before the accident that disintegrated him and gave him his powers.

He made a machine messing with something he didn't yet understand and that backfired. I'd put Cisco above that.

The fact that he needs to be able to see the future to not be outsmarted by Ozy also says tons. It's not like Ozy himself can see the future. He just outplayed him.

Lois Lane Wonder Woman were shown to be superior detectives in BvS than Batman