Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is it stated that he invented them?
ah, so i see you fail to address the director/ producers statements on the matter, as well as the on screen building of several things inside the Batcave during BvS. DCEU batman has been shown to create his own stuff or at the very least remake and retool WayneTech prototypes by himself which takes a large level of intelligence; this Bruce Wayne isn't just painting stuff black.
Originally posted by relentless1
ah, so i see you fail to address the director/ producers statements on the matter, as well as the on screen building of several things inside the Batcave during BvS. DCEU batman has been shown to create his own stuff or at the very least remake and retool WayneTech prototypes by himself which takes a large level of intelligence; this Bruce Wayne isn't just painting stuff black.
I can post clips of people putting computers together, that doesn't mean they invented the computers.
We go by feats here.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah but him getting his powers was a complete accident. He was a nuclear physicist who was tampering with "intrinsic fields" (made up). He and his coworkers were trying to figure out how this made up concept works. Every test failed and resulted in the disintegration of the object being tested in their chamber. He wasn't sure how it actually worked, but was learning before the accident that disintegrated him and gave him his powers.He made a machine messing with something he didn't yet understand and that backfired. I'd put Cisco above that.
The fact that he needs to be able to see the future to not be outsmarted by Ozy also says tons. It's not like Ozy himself can see the future. He just outplayed him.
This is only one was of looking at it. He doesn't need to see into the future to be smart, as I said he was building machines that re created his power. He is above Cisco in terms of technical ability, him creating something that blocked his foresight isnt being stupid. He wasn't planning on Ozy stabbing him the back, Cisco would have fallen for the same trap because he is gullible and been tricked many times.
Originally posted by SableCisco has built tech that allows interdimensional travel, and engineered weapons that work against all kinds of abilities that people don't even really understand. He also figured out how time travel works in its entirety. I'd put that kind of technological and general know how above the Doc making a single machine that failed at what it was actually supposed to do. Cisco could probably make that same machine and actually make it work if he was in their world or if the concept existed in his world.
This is only one was of looking at it. He doesn't need to see into the future to be smart, as I said he was building machines that re created his power. He is above Cisco in terms of technical ability, him creating something that blocked his foresight isnt being stupid. He wasn't planning on Ozy stabbing him the back, Cisco would have fallen for the same trap because he is gullible and been tricked many times.
Agreed on the Ozy point though.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I can post clips of people putting computers together, that doesn't mean they invented the computers.We go by feats here.
wayne building tech is a feat you dummy lol, or are we just counting what you THINK is a feat; youre such a batman hater man you shouldn't even bother posting here its clear that you can't be unbiased or have a proper opinion about anything
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Cisco has built tech that allows interdimensional travel, and engineered weapons that work against all kinds of abilities that people don't even really understand. He also figured out how time travel works in its entirety. I'd put that kind of technological and general know how above the Doc making a single machine that failed at what it was actually supposed to do. Cisco could probably make that same machine and actually make it work if he was in their world or if the concept existed in his world.Agreed on the Ozy point though.
Ok so we agree Ozy tricked and stabbed him in the back and Cisco has been tricked and back stabbed before, regardless of how smart he is?
Doc made more then one machine, he made like 20 of them or more and they were all teleported to different US cities because they were going to be used as clean power plants.
Originally posted by relentless1
wayne building tech is a feat you dummy lol, or are we just counting what you THINK is a feat; youre such a batman hater man you shouldn't even bother posting here its clear that you can't be unbiased or have a proper opinion about anything
Building existing Tech isn't an intelligence feat. hell, mechanics with no high school diploma can put a car together. Or as I previously pointed out, I can post hundreds of clips of people building computers, that doesn't mean they're super intelligent.
Originally posted by SableThat was with Ozy's help, it took a while, and those power plants ended up glorified nukes without the fallout. All they did was disintegrate everything in their path. How is that more impressive than the variety of tech Cisco has built?
Ok so we agree Ozy tricked and stabbed him in the back and Cisco has been tricked and back stabbed before, regardless of how smart he is?Doc made more then one machine, he made like 20 of them or more and they were all teleported to different US cities because they were going to be used as clean power plants.
Cisco has built tech that countered other tech from thousand of years in the future before (against Abra Kadabra). He's also built things that should literally be impossible (like the alchemy gun). His intelligence is OP.
But I also think some of these guys have different kinds of intelligence. For example, if you need to build some ridiculous piece of tech on the fly, someone like Cisco would be your guy. But if you need to work out some elaborate strategy or plan, one which contains a ton of variables, I would pick someone like Ozy. Now, Ozy is also a science-smart guy, but he simply doesn't have Cisco's 3 seasons worth of inventing all kinds of shit as is required of him.
Originally posted by Sable
You get it, That's why I placed Ozy #2.
Well, like I said, not sure "intelligence", as a broad category, can give us an accurate picture here.
For example, if we talk about strategic/tactical intelligence, I would put Ozy at no. 1, because he managed to punk Dr Manhattan despite the latter's heightened perception of his own timeline. But if we talk about engineering intelligence, then someone like Cisco (I know I keep going back to him, but I am too lazy to think about more people) would rank higher, as he has 3 seasons of the Flash building all kinds of improbable/impossible pieces of technology.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Building existing Tech isn't an intelligence feat. hell, mechanics with no high school diploma can put a car together. Or as I previously pointed out, I can post hundreds of clips of people building computers, that doesn't mean they're super intelligent.
lol so a suit built to withstand a kryptonians strength is existing tech? gimme a break
a Batsuit is existing tech i suppose
by that logic we can say the same thing about Starks tech could we not; its all built by his company he just grabbed parts here and there as well as aping the pre existing tech for the arc reactor but I know you won't agree cuz youre a Marvel fanboy
Originally posted by relentless1But didn't we see Stark build his suits from scratch in the first movie?
lol so a suit built to withstand a kryptonians strength is existing tech? gimme a breaka Batsuit is existing tech i suppose
by that logic we can say the same thing about Starks tech could we not; its all built by his company he just grabbed parts here and there as well as aping the pre existing tech for the arc reactor but I know you won't agree cuz youre a Marvel fanboy
Originally posted by Arachnid1
But didn't we see Stark build his suits from scratch in the first movie?
yeah, he built it out of existing weapons from his company; he built a smaller arc reactor based on the larger one; he didn't invent it from scratch though... silent is claiming that doing this doesn't count towards intelligence lol
Originally posted by Silent Master
Strawman alert strawman alert strawman alertBTW, I trust that everyone has noticed that he still hasn't posted a clip of Batman actually building anything from scratch.
lol figured as much ****in troll, youre such a hater man youre worse than quan, at least he doesn't try to lie about his bias