Rank these movie beings by intelligence

ok then, lets start with the obvious:

he creates the k spear and k grenades right there on screen which takes a certain level of knowledge and research to manipulate an unknown substance

alfred is seen putting the finishing touches on armour thats clearly been created in the cave; alfred even mentions doing patchwork on the voice modulator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiNzV6QMog

on top of that we see bruce doing detective work throughout the film which also takes a degree of intelligence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdli3A0mxF0

we see him speak fluent russian which as you know takes intelligence to be multi lingual.

heres another scene of him sleuthing, admittedly they don't get too deep into it but its there; tracking down Wonder Woman, finding out info on Lex and the White Portuguese:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6DbVMSCyxY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsIFcaA5Fb0

and finally his tactical skill is shown in the beginning of the warehouse fight in how he neutralizes enemies and their weaponry... employing tactics requires skill, experience and intelligence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSottBl7ow

im sure more intelligence feats will be shown in Justice League but for now these are the examples shown so far

A spear and a grenade, two things that already exist, all he did was add Kryptonite. Not very impressive considering the competition.

Wow, detective work, not very impressive considering the competition.

Speaking more than one language, something that millions of people in the real world can do, not very impressive considering the competition.

None of the tactics he used were very obscure so it's not like it takes a lot of intelligence to think of them.

So far nothing you have listed justifies him being ranked as high as you had him.

the onus is on you to prove that he didn't crete his vehicles and gear bud, they never stated anywhere in the film that he grabbed any of that from wayne tech so prove that he didn't build any of it

not to mention the batcave itself which stands to reason he'd have to have built himself due to the secrecy involved

just admit youre a dc hater and we can move on dude seriously

Dr Manhattan
Cisco
Ozymandus
Tony Stark
Bruce Banner
Jor El
Batman
Lex Luthor
Dr. Strange
Spiderman
Green Goblin

Silly fanboy, you're the one that made the original claim and thus the burden is on you. That is how debates work.

not when the film makes no mention of acquiring tech from wayne enterprises and we see bruce and alfred building or modifying tech during the film; get your head out of your ass dude for real

Still waiting for you to post clips from the movie that actually show Bruce Wayne building or inventing all of his gear.

Originally posted by relentless1
the onus is on you to prove that he didn't crete his vehicles and gear bud, they never stated anywhere in the film that he grabbed any of that from wayne tech so prove that he didn't build any of it

not to mention the batcave itself which stands to reason he'd have to have built himself due to the secrecy involved

just admit youre a dc hater and we can move on dude seriously

Unfortunately Relentless, that's not how that works. People do not have to prove something is not so, only that something is so. And since you made the actual claim, you must provide the positive evidence.

Normally I would not have said anything, but I am getting really annoyed by people trying to circle back burden of evidence to avoid proving ones own case. Literally it went like this:

#1: Relentless = "Batman makes his own gear in the Batcave"
#2: Nearly everyone else = "Can you provide proof of this? We all thought he adapts Wayne Tech items for personal use."
#3: Relentless = "Can you provide proof he does not? No, then he does!"

Literally the logic of burden of proof brakes between point #2 and point #3. You can't assert something, and then have your proof be the absence of evidence to the contrary.

Or in short:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Unfortunately Relentless, that's not how that works. People do not have to prove something is not so, only that something is so. And since you made the actual claim, you must provide the positive evidence.

Normally I would not have said anything, but I am getting really annoyed by people trying to circle back burden of evidence to avoid proving ones own case. Literally it went like this:

#1: Relentless = "Batman makes his own gear in the Batcave"
#2: Nearly everyone else = "Can you provide proof of this? We all thought he adapts Wayne Tech items for personal use."
#3: Relentless = "Can you provide proof he does not? No, then he does!"

Literally the logic of burden of proof brakes between point #2 and point #3. You can't assert something, and then have your proof be the absence of evidence to the contrary.

I've already posted clips and examples of prototypes being worked on and built right in the batcave by alfred and bruce so I've done my part now its on you all to prove that he gets all his stuff from wayne tech like silent keeps stating

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Or in short:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

Yeah, pretty much. I knew it was one of the razors, but I forgot which one 😛

Originally posted by relentless1
I've already posted clips and examples of prototypes being worked on and built right in the batcave by alfred and bruce so I've done my part now its on you all to prove that he gets all his stuff from wayne tech like silent keeps stating

You posted a clip of Alfred working on the equipment, not Bruce. You really need to stop lying.

Originally posted by relentless1
I've already posted clips and examples of prototypes being worked on and built right in the batcave by alfred and bruce so I've done my part now its on you all to prove that he gets all his stuff from wayne tech like silent keeps stating

Being worked on, and being BUILT are two entirely different things.

Everyone knows Bruce customizes his stuff with bat motifs and stuff like that, but that is vastly a different animal from actually building, from scratch, a Batmobile, or a Bat Plane, or any of his vehicles, all of which would have required the use of industrial grade heavy machinery. Not something you can secretly secrete into a cave near a major metropolis without it being detected, no matter how much money you have.

We are talking about factory assembly lines just for parts and assembly alone. The batcave is big, but it's not THAT big. Bruce would have taken a huge risk just to excavate expansions to the cave alone to get what he has now. Logically speaking, to do what you are suggesting would require expanding the batcave into a series of bat caves. A labyrinthine tunnel network that makes Diablo's Cathedral look logical.

So, there you have it. IMHO, it is not feasably possible for Bruce to manufacture bat tech in the bat cave unaided. He can customize his bat stuff there, but to actually manufacture from loose parts full vehicles, especially things like boats and high speed aircraft, would require things he cannot possibly hide underground without being detected.

you wanted proof that the equipment was built in the cave; theres your proof, obviously alfred isn't building this stuff on his own; supported by bruce using tech on his own to craft the kryptonite into weapons and usage of the bat computer for various things such as hacking into authors files

Originally posted by relentless1
you wanted proof that the equipment was built in the cave; theres your proof, obviously alfred isn't building this stuff on his own; supported by bruce using tech on his own to craft the kryptonite into weapons and usage of the bat computer for various things such as hacking into authors files

No, we wanted proof that Bruce built or invented the stuff, the clip you posted was of Alfred working on it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Being worked on, and being BUILT are two entirely different things.

Everyone knows Bruce customizes his stuff with bat motifs and stuff like that, but that is vastly a different animal from actually building, from scratch, a Batmobile, or a Bat Plane, or any of his vehicles, all of which would have required the use of industrial grade heavy machinery. Not something you can secretly secrete into a cave near a major metropolis without it being detected, no matter how much money you have.

We are talking about factory assembly lines just for parts and assembly alone. The batcave is big, but it's not THAT big. Bruce would have taken a huge risk just to excavate expansions to the cave alone to get what he has now. Logically speaking, to do what you are suggesting would require expanding the batcave into a series of bat caves. A labyrinthine tunnel network that makes Diablo's Cathedral look logical.

So, there you have it. IMHO, it is not feasably possible for Bruce to manufacture bat tech in the bat cave unaided. He can customize his bat stuff there, but to actually manufacture from loose parts full vehicles, especially things like boats and high speed aircraft, would require things he cannot possibly hide underground without being detected.

its never explicitly stated one way or the other but i guarantee the cave was put together by bruce otherwise his secret identity would have been compromised

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Being worked on, and being BUILT are two entirely different things.

Everyone knows Bruce customizes his stuff with bat motifs and stuff like that, but that is vastly a different animal from actually building, from scratch, a Batmobile, or a Bat Plane, or any of his vehicles, all of which would have required the use of industrial grade heavy machinery. Not something you can secretly secrete into a cave near a major metropolis without it being detected, no matter how much money you have.

We are talking about factory assembly lines just for parts and assembly alone. The batcave is big, but it's not THAT big. Bruce would have taken a huge risk just to excavate expansions to the cave alone to get what he has now. Logically speaking, to do what you are suggesting would require expanding the batcave into a series of bat caves. A labyrinthine tunnel network that makes Diablo's Cathedral look logical.

So, there you have it. IMHO, it is not feasably possible for Bruce to manufacture bat tech in the bat cave unaided. He can customize his bat stuff there, but to actually manufacture from loose parts full vehicles, especially things like boats and high speed aircraft, would require things he cannot possibly hide underground without being detected.

Look at the clip he posted, it shows Alfred working on the equipment not Bruce.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, we wanted proof that Bruce built or invented the stuff, the clip you posted was of Alfred working on it.

the burden of proof was on me to back up claims that gear was built in the cave and not pilfered from wayne enterprises and I've done that; what we see on screen according to you is all that matters and we never see batman take gear from wayne tech like he did in the nolan films, all we see is him building or modifying things in the batcave.. we go by whats on screen thats what you said so since I've provided on screen examples its your turn to prove that he didn't have a hand in building any of that stuff

Your claim was that it was done by Bruce, so far all you've provided is a clip of Alfred working on it. You have provided nothing that shows Bruce building or inventing anything.

and finally heres the clip of him engineering the k, like i said earlier its not as full a body of feats as stark obviously but its quite clear that bruce is of high intelligence based on this and other examples I've shown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxxbfkYRQOY