Civil War Iron Man takes an Iron Fist to the face...

Originally posted by John Murdoch
It would make sense that the Civil War armor is the most advanced one yet in terms of every stat across the board, but

- Avengers Armor gave a good fight to Thor (including some hammer shots and Thor attempting to crush Tony's left repulsor/gauntlet) and got hit around like a Ping-Pong ball in the SHIELD helicarrier's engine blades.

Now, compare this with IM3:

- Tony's remote-controlled armor gets smashed to bits by a tractor trailer. Makes no sense in light of his "inferior" armor model taking on Thor and all it survived in Avengers.

Furthermore, let's look at the Civil War armor:

- Bucky grips and then outright crushes one of Tony's repulsors/gauntlets. Is Bucky's robo-arm grip stronger than Thor's grip? I think not. Also stuff like Steve and Bucky rocking Tony with punches, Tony getting pinned down by falling cars, Steve overpowering Tony's boosters, etc.

It's clear by feats that Tony's suits in IM3 and Civil War aren't up to the same level as his suits in IM, IM2, Avengers, and Age of Ultron.

Yeah, from a logic standpoint, every suit should be better than the previous one. However, actual screen comparisons make it obvious that the Civil War suit was nerfed to make the final fight more competitive. A good example is where Steve overpowers Tony's flight with one hand. The previous, supposedly "inferior" suit managed to use its flight to support the weight of one of the SHIELD helicarrier's aerial rafts, which visibly weighs several tons. In Homecoming, another suit supports the weight of half a ferry. But the Mark 46's couldn't overpower a probably 220lbs man who had no anchor point to gain any traction.

According to Silent, he posted a mod statement about using specific characters in a forum under the OP's particular movie. This means only feats from Civil War can be used. We cannot reference anything other than that film for feats.

With that said, IM helmet is less durable than his body armor.

Also few more comparisons

Mk3 took an anti aircraft shell from a tank and took a fall with only paint damage, and only took scratch damage by a point blank missile explosion It was also able to take fifgter craft bullets with scrapes. It also no sold Iron Mongers Gatling gun bullets and a missile which turned the majority of a bus into a giant fireball while running on an inferior power supply.
It's repulsors were able to send people flying through concrete walls, destroy missiles and send cars sliding
The MK5 and 6 was able to withstand Vanko's electric whips which we're slicing up cars, trees and concrete like tissue paper. The MK6 repulsors were able to hurt Thor and send Loki for a loop
Heck even the very ridiculed MK 42 while being an unbuilt prototype had some good feats when Tony was inside it. It was able to withstand gunship bullets and ignore concrete blocks falling on it and even a close range explosion of the gunship. It also withstood the ocean floor pressure along with a majority of Tony's house collapsing on it. With Jarvis controlling it, just one gauntlet was able to pull Tony out of the wreckage with a single double repulsors blasts obliterating the concrete while underwater
The Mk 43's repulsors were able to Ko people with just shockwaves from the blast, blast Ultron to shit and destroy concrete bunkers
Also in terms of flight speed, the mk 44 was able to dodge all the debris of the Sokovia explosion after withstanding it.
The Mk3 had supersonic flight speed, was able to keep ahead of F-22s, and catch up to a free falling pilot
The MK6 was able to leave Hammer drones and War Machine trailing behind and leave the Quinjet in the dust while heavily damaged
The Mk 7 was able to catch up to a free falling Tony and so was many other armors in Iron Man 3
The Mk 42 was able to catch 13 free falling people even if barely.
The shotgun armor had repulsors which could blow through steel, and yet it was completely undamged by it's own repulsors striking it.

Now compare that to The Civil War armor
Gets outsped by Falcon
Unable to dodge the cars dropped on him by Wanda or the debris caused by his missile in the climax
His repulsors don't scratch the walls or anything in the climax fight and it barely cracks the asphalt in the airport fight
He gets hurt by Falcon and Redwing
Gets pierced by Hawkeye's arrows and dented by it's explosion
Unable to catch upto the Quinjet or a falling Rhodes

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Oh please. What feats does the MK 46 have that is above Mk 6? The only thing it has over MK6 is emp/taser projectiles, restraint projectiles, and combat analysis. I say for practically every damn feat of MK46 the MK6 has better

Based on what is the MK6 better than the MK46!!???

The MK6 is outdated!

Tony Stark improvements on the MK6 is what lead to the MK46! If MK6 wad better why would Tony even bother with the other models?

You are making no sense now.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Also few more comparisons

Mk3 took an anti aircraft shell from a tank and took a fall with only paint damage, and only took scratch damage by a point blank missile explosion It was also able to take fifgter craft bullets with scrapes. It also no sold Iron Mongers Gatling gun bullets and a missile which turned the majority of a bus into a giant fireball while running on an inferior power supply.
It's repulsors were able to send people flying through concrete walls, destroy missiles and send cars sliding
The MK5 and 6 was able to withstand Vanko's electric whips which we're slicing up cars, trees and concrete like tissue paper. The MK6 repulsors were able to hurt Thor and send Loki for a loop
Heck even the very ridiculed MK 42 while being an unbuilt prototype had some good feats when Tony was inside it. It was able to withstand gunship bullets and ignore concrete blocks falling on it and even a close range explosion of the gunship. It also withstood the ocean floor pressure along with a majority of Tony's house collapsing on it. With Jarvis controlling it, just one gauntlet was able to pull Tony out of the wreckage with a single double repulsors blasts obliterating the concrete while underwater
The Mk 43's repulsors were able to Ko people with just shockwaves from the blast, blast Ultron to shit and destroy concrete bunkers
Also in terms of flight speed, the mk 44 was able to dodge all the debris of the Sokovia explosion after withstanding it.
The Mk3 had supersonic flight speed, was able to keep ahead of F-22s, and catch up to a free falling pilot
The MK6 was able to leave Hammer drones and War Machine trailing behind and leave the Quinjet in the dust while heavily damaged
The Mk 7 was able to catch up to a free falling Tony and so was many other armors in Iron Man 3
The Mk 42 was able to catch 13 free falling people even if barely.
The shotgun armor had repulsors which could blow through steel, and yet it was completely undamged by it's own repulsors striking it.

Now compare that to The Civil War armor
Gets outsped by Falcon
Unable to dodge the cars dropped on him by Wanda or the debris caused by his missile in the climax
His repulsors don't scratch the walls or anything in the climax fight and it barely cracks the asphalt in the airport fight
He gets hurt by Falcon and Redwing
Gets pierced by Hawkeye's arrows and dented by it's explosion
Unable to catch upto the Quinjet or a falling Rhodes

Okay okay okay.

http://screenrant.com/tony-stark-iron-man-suits-ranked-worst-to-best/

Many would disagree with you.

https://youtu.be/b-wa4nNmTi8

Mk46 clearly dodge one of hackeyes arrows proving its enhance sensors and speed.

It aslo got crushed by several cars which is resumed in tons of pressure without any damage.

https://youtu.be/tTtT8DK2Gcc

Dodges several arrows again....

Ohh by the way, War Machine is based on the MK2 but upgraded which is pretty similar to the MK3. Falcon is able to catch with him...

What makes you think an F22 is faster than EXO 7?

https://youtu.be/KGa4rE-ACCI

Its evident that MK2 (War machine) isnt as durable as MK46. It took one laser to the chest which hurt the suit. MK46 wouldnt have broken.

We also see that both Falcon and Iron Man try to reach him. MK46 is clearly moving faster than Exo 7.

Also MK2 doesnt have the protection against fall damage. MK46 wouldnt have hurt Tony in such situation (MK2/MK3 are well inferior to MK46. Just like MK6 is).

https://youtu.be/7j3Pu_xCjMo

https://youtu.be/rbMc8wbLwKk

No other suit has sustained the amout of punishment MK46 did. Nor for the same amount of time.

MK46 efficiently protected Tony through the entire fight.

I dont doubt MK46 being stronger than MK6. That is just stupidity.

I don't think he gets killed, but he does get messed up. Possibly knocked out.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't think he gets killed, but he does get messed up. Possibly knocked out.

Not K.O.

The Suit would get messed maybe.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not K.O.

The Suit would get messed maybe.

That's why I said possibly. IM's suit in CW wasn't that tough. Pretty sure Danny's IF hits harder than a falling car, considering that it clearly hurt Luke Cage whereas Cage was able to easily stop a speeding SUV.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's why I said possibly. IM's suit in CW wasn't that tough. Pretty sure Danny's IF hits harder than a falling car, considering that it clearly hurt Luke Cage whereas Cage was able to easily stop a speeding SUV.

Gao also tried to use her tk to squash Cage with a car against a concrete wall during the 3-on-3 in the Defenders second last episode (hard enough that Luke somewhat cratered the wall on impact), and it did little more than piss him off.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's why I said possibly. IM's suit in CW wasn't that tough. Pretty sure Danny's IF hits harder than a falling car, considering that it clearly hurt Luke Cage whereas Cage was able to easily stop a speeding SUV.

Yes surely stronger than falling cars.

Stronger than an Iron Fist from Bucky's Prostethic arm however!....IDK.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes surely stronger than falling cars.

Stronger than an Iron Fist from Bucky's Prostethic arm however!....IDK.

Bucky never demolished an entire floor with a single punch.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bucky never demolished an entire floor with a single punch.

Or even did this, to be honest. And Danny was still somewhat drugged when he did this:

YouTube video

Closest comparable feat the metal arm has is the containment cell breach from CA:CW, but that took about a dozen punches:

YouTube video

And it's definitely never caused shock waves.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bucky never demolished an entire floor with a single punch.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Or even did this, to be honest. And Danny was still somewhat drugged when he did this:

YouTube video

Closest comparable feat the metal arm has is the containment cell breach from CA:CW, but that took about a dozen punches:

YouTube video

And it's definitely never caused shock waves.

I agree Bucky has never replicate the impact IF did with the floor.

But Bucky's prostethic arm can still give hard punches.

Isn't like Iron Man suit hasn't received similar forces.

It would probably at the very least cause him to stumble backwards, possibly even lay him out. Would likely cause a fair bit of damage to the armor, but I'm not sure Tony himself would be seriously injured from it.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
It would make sense that the Civil War armor is the most advanced one yet in terms of every stat across the board, but

- Avengers Armor gave a good fight to Thor (including some hammer shots and Thor attempting to crush Tony's left repulsor/gauntlet) and got hit around like a Ping-Pong ball in the SHIELD helicarrier's engine blades.

Now, compare this with IM3:

- Tony's remote-controlled armor gets smashed to bits by a tractor trailer. Makes no sense in light of his "inferior" armor model taking on Thor and all it survived in Avengers.

Furthermore, let's look at the Civil War armor:

- Bucky grips and then outright crushes one of Tony's repulsors/gauntlets. Is Bucky's robo-arm grip stronger than Thor's grip? I think not. Also stuff like Steve and Bucky rocking Tony with punches, Tony getting pinned down by falling cars, Steve overpowering Tony's boosters, etc.

It's clear by feats that Tony's suits in IM3 and Civil War aren't up to the same level as his suits in IM, IM2, Avengers, and Age of Ultron.

Many problems with what you said. Thor could crush the armor with his grip....doesn't mean there is a big problem with bucky being able to as well. Doesn't mean bucky and thor are even either. So that's reallly irrelevant . They both can generate enough strength to do it. Doesn't suddenly mean bucky and thor are close strength wise.

Bucky and cap were hitting the suit. At no point was Tony being "rocked" in the sense that he was being dazed. They simply outclassed him skill wise but the suit was eating every blow in stride and Tony struggled keeping up with their skill lvl. He looked annoyed in the armor, not hurt. It's why he could eat consecutive blow after blow and even tho the force pushed him back, he was never in danger. When Tchalla was monologing, and cap was just shown wailing on stark over and over and over, guess what? Stark was fine. No real damage to the suit was being done.

He got pinned by a car that fell on him catching him off guard (the whole point of the scene). Guess what? He got up. In fact, a much much more impressive was when the suit got pinned by the much LARGER steel pillar that fell on him. In siberia when he blew up the bunker and bucky ran off, and he got up from that seconds later. Meaning the suit was strong enough to push itself up with the heavy metal pillar on top of it.

You seem to be lowballing. The 46 being "weak" is a meme you fell for. At no point was it struggling strength wise or durability wise except for A. when faced by a vibranium piece of metal being forcefully jammed in its center. Which could have been done to every other armor by cap.

Or B. Buckys own impressively powerful grip strength which I'd argue could crush the metal around the HAND of any other former suit if he was desperate.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Also few more comparisons

Mk3 took an anti aircraft shell from a tank and took a fall with only paint damage, and only took scratch damage by a point blank missile explosion It was also able to take fifgter craft bullets with scrapes. It also no sold Iron Mongers Gatling gun bullets and a missile which turned the majority of a bus into a giant fireball while running on an inferior power supply.
It's repulsors were able to send people flying through concrete walls, destroy missiles and send cars sliding
The MK5 and 6 was able to withstand Vanko's electric whips which we're slicing up cars, trees and concrete like tissue paper. The MK6 repulsors were able to hurt Thor and send Loki for a loop
Heck even the very ridiculed MK 42 while being an unbuilt prototype had some good feats when Tony was inside it. It was able to withstand gunship bullets and ignore concrete blocks falling on it and even a close range explosion of the gunship. It also withstood the ocean floor pressure along with a majority of Tony's house collapsing on it. With Jarvis controlling it, just one gauntlet was able to pull Tony out of the wreckage with a single double repulsors blasts obliterating the concrete while underwater
The Mk 43's repulsors were able to Ko people with just shockwaves from the blast, blast Ultron to shit and destroy concrete bunkers
Also in terms of flight speed, the mk 44 was able to dodge all the debris of the Sokovia explosion after withstanding it.
The Mk3 had supersonic flight speed, was able to keep ahead of F-22s, and catch up to a free falling pilot
The MK6 was able to leave Hammer drones and War Machine trailing behind and leave the Quinjet in the dust while heavily damaged
The Mk 7 was able to catch up to a free falling Tony and so was many other armors in Iron Man 3
The Mk 42 was able to catch 13 free falling people even if barely.
The shotgun armor had repulsors which could blow through steel, and yet it was completely undamged by it's own repulsors striking it.

Now compare that to The Civil War armor
Gets outsped by Falcon
Unable to dodge the cars dropped on him by Wanda or the debris caused by his missile in the climax
His repulsors don't scratch the walls or anything in the climax fight and it barely cracks the asphalt in the airport fight
He gets hurt by Falcon and Redwing
Gets pierced by Hawkeye's arrows and dented by it's explosion
Unable to catch upto the Quinjet or a falling Rhodes

Got"out maneuvered " by falcon. Not outsped. And it makes sense that falcon is probably the most agile flyer. No big thing there.

Cars and debris all catching him off guard. You're trying to make it look bad out of context.

Lol he controls the output of the repulsors clearly. This is literally nothing to go off of seeing as how he could crack it if he was looking to do so. Zemo says how durable his safe spot behind the glass is during the end fight, claiming it could withstand the launch blasts of UR-100 rockets. Tony smugly boasted he could beat that. I highly doubt he meant he could fly home and get another suit and fly back.... and he clearly wasn't bluffing so... there goes that statement of yours.

"Gets hurt by falcon and redwing".... lol should I bother? He wasn't "hurt". Caught off guard by an unexpected move by the expert flyer, yes.

This is more a feat for clints arrows than anything. I'd wager and argue he can do the same to other armors...seeing as his gear is probably stark funded anyway. Not much to make a statement on the 46 here either way.

"Unable to catch up to the quinjet" Lol an odd statement. The quinjet left first. Rhodes took out wanda and stark was dealing with spidey. They then took off after it. Cap noticed the duo gaining on him and he accelerated. The very next scene is he two armors clearly gaining on the quinjet. If you are implying they would have never caught it than that's an absolute joke. only reason he didn't catch it was because of rhodey. So...don't know what you are trying to prove with that one outside of trying to make it look bad. it would have clearly caught it. And even if you claim it wouldn't, youd hAve a damn hard time proving that. Seeing as how we know how fast IM armors are. We've seen it. What proof do you have this particular jet was faster? All you have to go by is it took off first and the chase was cut short before the armor could catch up. Not proof of much of anything either way. So why bring it up? Moving on

He didn't catch rhodey....ok? Proof the other armors would have covered that ground in the same amount of time? Rhodes was out of reach. For falcon as well. Not much of a knock to the armor there and no grounds to say it's worse than any other version for this irrelevant scenario.

Originally posted by wallman77
Got"out maneuvered " by falcon. Not outsped. And it makes sense that falcon is probably the most agile flyer. No big thing there.

Cars and debris all catching him off guard. You're trying to make it look bad out of context.

Lol he controls the output of the repulsors clearly. This is literally nothing to go off of seeing as how he could crack it if he was looking to do so. Zemo says how durable his safe spot behind the glass is during the end fight, claiming it could withstand the launch blasts of UR-100 rockets. Tony smugly boasted he could beat that. I highly doubt he meant he could fly home and get another suit and fly back.... and he clearly wasn't bluffing so... there goes that statement of yours.

"Gets hurt by falcon and redwing".... lol should I bother? He wasn't "hurt". Caught off guard by an unexpected move by the expert flyer, yes.

This is more a feat for clints arrows than anything. I'd wager and argue he can do the same to other armors...seeing as his gear is probably stark funded anyway. Not much to make a statement on the 46 here either way.

"Unable to catch up to the quinjet" Lol an odd statement. The quinjet left first. Rhodes took out wanda and stark was dealing with spidey. They then took off after it. Cap noticed the duo gaining on him and he accelerated. The very next scene is he two armors clearly gaining on the quinjet. If you are implying they would have never caught it than that's an absolute joke. only reason he didn't catch it was because of rhodey. So...don't know what you are trying to prove with that one outside of trying to make it look bad. it would have clearly caught it. And even if you claim it wouldn't, youd hAve a damn hard time proving that. Seeing as how we know how fast IM armors are. We've seen it. What proof do you have this particular jet was faster? All you have to go by is it took off first and the chase was cut short before the armor could catch up. Not proof of much of anything either way. So why bring it up? Moving on

He didn't catch rhodey....ok? Proof the other armors would have covered that ground in the same amount of time? Rhodes was out of reach. For falcon as well. Not much of a knock to the armor there and no grounds to say it's worse than any other version for this irrelevant scenario.

Originally posted by wallman77
Many problems with what you said. Thor could crush the armor with his grip....doesn't mean there is a big problem with bucky being able to as well. Doesn't mean bucky and thor are even either. So that's reallly irrelevant . They both can generate enough strength to do it. Doesn't suddenly mean bucky and thor are close strength wise.

Bucky and cap were hitting the suit. At no point was Tony being "rocked" in the sense that he was being dazed. They simply outclassed him skill wise but the suit was eating every blow in stride and Tony struggled keeping up with their skill lvl. He looked annoyed in the armor, not hurt. It's why he could eat consecutive blow after blow and even tho the force pushed him back, he was never in danger. When Tchalla was monologing, and cap was just shown wailing on stark over and over and over, guess what? Stark was fine. No real damage to the suit was being done.

He got pinned by a car that fell on him catching him off guard (the whole point of the scene). Guess what? He got up. In fact, a much much more impressive was when the suit got pinned by the much LARGER steel pillar that fell on him. In siberia when he blew up the bunker and bucky ran off, and he got up from that seconds later. Meaning the suit was strong enough to push itself up with the heavy metal pillar on top of it.

You seem to be lowballing. The 46 being "weak" is a meme you fell for. At no point was it struggling strength wise or durability wise except for A. when faced by a vibranium piece of metal being forcefully jammed in its center. Which could have been done to every other armor by cap.

Or B. Buckys own impressively powerful grip strength which I'd argue could crush the metal around the HAND of any other former suit if he was desperate.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Let's just agree to disagree. I would like to explain but I am not in the mood

😂

I wouldnt be in the mood neithet if i had to read all of that! XD.

But lets admit the dudes have good points.

Originally posted by wallman77
Many problems with what you said. Thor could crush the armor with his grip....doesn't mean there is a big problem with bucky being able to as well. Doesn't mean bucky and thor are even either. So that's reallly irrelevant . They both can generate enough strength to do it. Doesn't suddenly mean bucky and thor are close strength wise.

Bucky and cap were hitting the suit. At no point was Tony being "rocked" in the sense that he was being dazed. They simply outclassed him skill wise but the suit was eating every blow in stride and Tony struggled keeping up with their skill lvl. He looked annoyed in the armor, not hurt. It's why he could eat consecutive blow after blow and even tho the force pushed him back, he was never in danger. When Tchalla was monologing, and cap was just shown wailing on stark over and over and over, guess what? Stark was fine. No real damage to the suit was being done.

He got pinned by a car that fell on him catching him off guard (the whole point of the scene). Guess what? He got up. In fact, a much much more impressive was when the suit got pinned by the much LARGER steel pillar that fell on him. In siberia when he blew up the bunker and bucky ran off, and he got up from that seconds later. Meaning the suit was strong enough to push itself up with the heavy metal pillar on top of it.

You seem to be lowballing. The 46 being "weak" is a meme you fell for. At no point was it struggling strength wise or durability wise except for A. when faced by a vibranium piece of metal being forcefully jammed in its center. Which could have been done to every other armor by cap.

Or B. Buckys own impressively powerful grip strength which I'd argue could crush the metal around the HAND of any other former suit if he was desperate.

Good points, Wallman. My post was in response to Mr. Alexander's below:

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, it is the previous version of the armor.

We are talking about Mk XLVI here (Civil War). Which is an improvement from the Mk VII here (Which is an obsolete model compared to Civil War's one).

I was simply pointing out some feats in IM3 and Civil War that shows the Marks from those movies aren't quite up to par when compared to the Marks from IM1, IM2, Avengers, and AoU (AoU did come after IM3, I realize). Thus, one cannot assume that the armor from Civil War is superior to the previous Marks since it is used later in the MCU chronology.

My big points are
- Tony got hit by an AA shell in IM1
- Tony fought pretty evenly with Thor, flew fast and powerfully enough to restart and then momentarily keep up with the SHIELD helicarrier's turbine until he got slammed around by it in Avengers

IMO, these feats show these Marks that Tony used prior to IM3 and CW as superior in toughness, durability, and power when compared to the Marks in IM3 and CW, which upsets the notion that his armors always progress and get better in every area.

However, I do concede to your points made that Tony wasn't a pushover in CW. I completely forgot about the steel support pillar feat in Siberia at the movie's end.

I guess I should actually post about the battle at hand: really don't know. I'll be the politician and say that it goes similarly to the Luke vs Danny showdown in Defenders, with Tony getting knocked into the ground, gaining a headache and a newfound respect for Danny in the inevitable Avengers/Defenders crossover in 2022.