Loras Tyrell vs Ned Stark

Originally posted by FrothByte
What nonsense. A tournament fight is an earnest fight. Yes there are rules, yes it's not to the death, but it's still a fight.

Besides, Jamie wasn't trying to kill Ned either,

yes he was. he even confessed to his father that he spared ned because it wouldnt have been honorable to kill him after that lannister guard stabbed him from behind.

oh and ser loras unhorsed ser gregor so i guess he's like the best knight EVAR!

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes he was. he even confessed to his father that he spared ned because it wouldnt have been honorable to kill him after that lannister guard stabbed him from behind.

oh and ser loras unhorsed ser gregor so i guess he's like the best knight EVAR!

So using your logic, what you're saying is champion UFC fighters are crappy in a real world one on one fight.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
tourney = not fighting in earnest.

They are trying to defeat one another, and they are motivated by a certain important goal in doing so.

They are not holding back, at all.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So using your logic, what you're saying is champion UFC fighters are crappy in a real world one on one fight.

"crappy"? that's some hardcore strawman, broseph.

are you sure that the ufc would have the same rankings if ear-biting, bludgeoning with rocks, and spitting blood in someones face was allowed?

Originally posted by Jmanghan

They are not holding back, at all.

just wrong. to suggest that knights (who's basic purpose is to kill) engaged in non-lethal combat are 'not holding back, at all' is beyond ridiculous.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
tourney = not fighting in earnest.

Not entirely true. Gregor certainly did 😛

But then again, thats Gregor 😉

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not entirely true. Gregor certainly did 😛

But then again, thats Gregor 😉

that was not a tourney fight. ser gregor was just trying to cut him in half (with an edged sword, no less).

Originally posted by FrothByte
What nonsense. A tournament fight is an earnest fight. Yes there are rules, yes it's not to the death, but it's still a fight.

Besides, Jamie wasn't trying to kill Ned either,

Brienne isnt to Jaime's level either way.

Ned wasnt trying to kill him neither in that aspect.

And no, Jaime didnt want to lose neither

Jaime Lannister: Catelyn Stark took my brother.
Tywin Lannister: Why is he still alive?
Jaime Lannister: Tyrion?
Tywin Lannister: Ned Stark.
Jaime Lannister: One of our men interfered, speared him through the leg before I could finish him.
Tywin Lannister: Why is he still alive?
Jaime Lannister: It wouldn't have been clean.
Tywin Lannister: Clean? You spend too much time worrying what other people think of you.
Jaime Lannister: I could care less what anyone thinks of me.
Tywin Lannister: That's what you want people to think of you.

unless jamie was lying to his father, his intention was to kill ned.

also, jaime turned full-villain for me when he said "i could care less"

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
unless jamie was lying to his father, his intention was to kill ned.

also, jaime turned full-villain for me when he said "i could care less"

So that proves Jaime was fighting seriously.

I dear to say Ned was better than Jaime...a Shame the knight interfered.

i don't think he rode to petyr's brothel with the intent to fight ned, until ned said that it was him who decided on kidnapping tyrion.
that seemed to change his mind. but yes, when the fight began jaime was out for ned's head.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
just wrong. to suggest that knights (who's basic purpose is to kill) engaged in non-lethal combat are 'not holding back, at all' is beyond ridiculous.

So if they were fighting to the death, it would've went the same way, only Loras would be dead instead of simply defeated.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah if you discount that time he fought Jaime to a standstill and was visibly causing him to struggle near the end of their duel before he was stabbed from behind. Or if you discount the fact that Jaime himself shows respect for Ned's chronicled skills as a warrior and seems curious and eager to test himself against him earlier that season. Or if you discount that Barristan Selmy himself believes that a duel between the two of him during Robert's rebellion (when both men were near their prime) would have been a fearsome contest despite Ned's humble downplaying of his own abilities.

Ned is of a similar tier to Jaime Lannister, which puts him laughably above Loras Tyrell, who is a limp-wristed loser.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
When was Ned losing? It seemed all the opposite to me.

Ned almost landed a blow and Jaime was having a time of his life because of that.

Their duel was pretty even. Exactly why Jaime was so pissed at one of his men for interrupting it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ned was never trying to kill Jaime.

Even so, Jaime and Ned had a tied fight.

That proved that Ned isnt to be underestimated.

We don't know that but it's more likely he was trying to kill Jamie seeing as how Jamie just killed Jory

They did but again one was likely trying to kill and the other wasn't

Oh I never claimed Ned was not a formidable fighter. Just that he wasn't as good as Jamie

Originally posted by juggerman
We don't know that but it's more likely he was trying to kill Jamie seeing as how Jamie just killed Jory

They did but again one was likely trying to kill and the other wasn't

Oh I never claimed Ned was not a formidable fighter. Just that he wasn't as good as Jamie

Why wouldnt he be as good as Jaime?

He manage to hold him quite fine.

Atleast that proves Ned no ordinary fighter.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
unless jamie was lying to his father, his intention was to kill ned.

also, jaime turned full-villain for me when he said "i could care less"

Jaime: Come Stark. I'd rather you die sword in hand
Jory: If you threaten my lord again...
Jaime: Threaten? As in: I'm going to open your lord from balls to brains and see what Starks are made of
Ned: You kill me, your brother's a dead man
Jaime: You're right. Take him ALIVE

This whole exchange proves Jaime was not trying to kill Ned as his whole goal was to save his brother. Ned pointed out that if he dies Tyrion dies too.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Why wouldnt he be as good as Jaime?

He manage to hold him quite fine.

Atleast that proves Ned no ordinary fighter.

Because he wasn't. Again Ned was holding his own but was losing and Jaime wasn't even trying to kill him; only capture him

One guy going all out vs another holding back.

Ned is a great fighter no doubt. Jaime was just better when he was whole

Originally posted by juggerman
This whole exchange proves Jaime was not trying to kill Ned as his whole goal was to save his brother. Ned pointed out that if he dies Tyrion dies too.

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Ned would beat Loras, though.

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IIRC, the creators stated Jaime was toying with him anyway.