ROTJ Luke vs Sheev Apprentices

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm talking about a scene from the less recent Vader comics:
http://www.11comic.com/comic/1608110221107s87/pages_9.html

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which could mean a variety of things, least of which is apparently power in the Force. Either way, what Sidious "knows" does not make it a fact, regardless of how logical you feel that should be.

Palpatine does not know exactly how powerful Vader is relatively. Which is the only thing relevant to this thread.

Regardless of its relevance to thread, it is relevant to the conversation at hand. I'm referring to what Underachiever said specifically, that it ending with the phrase "Vader still possessed great power" contradicts Palpatine's hypothesis that he would be weaker, but that's not how english works.

For example, take this sentence:

I knew I had to go to the store, but I still had two packages of crackers left.

The fact that I still had crackers doesn't contradict the notion that I still have to go to the store. If I want it to, I would word it as follows:

I thought I had to go to the store, but I still had two packages of crackers left.

The same principle applies to the quote. Wording is key.

The conversation at hand is retarded. And unfortunately for you, English works in a variety of ways you don't exactly get to dictate. Regardless, the topic at hand began when someone argued Vader would never be as powerful as Anakin, which is not said once. You can imply that, argue for it even, but it's never stated definitely, which was the claim.

In the end, Sidious does not "know" a quantitative value of how powerful Vader may or may not be, just like you don't ever "know" that you need to go to the store definitely. Because someone might just bring groceries over to you. Therein lies the weakness of your argument. Making a logical assessment does not make you correct, no matter how likely. Point blank and full stop.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Regardless, the topic at hand began when someone argued Vader would never be as powerful as Anakin, which is not said once. You can imply that, argue for it even, but it's never stated definitely, which was the claim.

It wasn't mine.

In the end, Sidious does not "know" a quantitative value of how powerful Vader may or may not be, just like you don't ever "know" that you need to go to the store definitely. Because someone might just bring groceries over to you. Therein lies the weakness of your argument.

The weakness of your argument is that you don't even understand what mine is. facepalm

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Only Luke is specifically Legends, unless Son of Dathomir is a Legends product. Hint: it isn't.

That's also not what the quote says. And given that Sidious continuously tries to replace Vader, and is continuously proven wrong, Palpatine obviously doesn't know shit.

No he isn't specifically specified as Legends. But I mean fair enough, though this whole thread is screwed over then.

"stronger" is often used in reference to potential rather than power.

Hence Kenobi says of TCW Anakin:
"he's stronger than any jedi"

Originally posted by MythLord
http://www.starwars.com/databank/darth-sidious-biography-gallery

It's under panel 14. It says that Sidious knows Vader would be weaker than he was before.

Ah thanks. Not sure how I missed that.

Losing a hand would make someone worse at sword fighting. But with enough practice and dedication it could be possible to reach, maybe even surpass, the level the person was at before.

Maybe not the best example but you get the idea.

It’s just stating what we always knew that he lost a lot of power after getting chopped up and burnt. And clearly lost a load of potential as well.

But that doesn't prove one way or the about whose more powerful between ROTS Anakin and OT Vader.

But I’d put my money on ROTS Anakin. I’d put Rebels/OT Vader approx on par with Late TCW Ani personally.

Canon seems to be going with no potential loss from mutilation.

https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/833437960934662145

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
Canon seems to be going with no potential loss from mutilation.

https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/833437960934662145

Like most other questions asked, he didn't really seem to answer it as another comment he makes, he's not declaring clear statements either.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
It wasn't mine.

The weakness of your argument is that you don't even understand what mine is. facepalm

Woah, edgy.

I agree, it shouldn't be hard to understand at all, but with you bringing up so many irrelevant points, it's difficult for me to believe we're actually on the same page. Whether or not Palpatine was correct in his assumption doesn't concern me; my claim was that the quote doesn't imply that he was incorrect. If it were worded differently it might have, but it wasn't.

Nah Vader’s better than CW Anakin. Honestly I have him above regular ROTS Anakin, but when Anakin is performing like he did against Dooku or operation Knightfall, he trashes Vader

^ Also a fair assessment.

Disney Vader does have some very beastly feats.

I’d say Peak ROTS Anakin is definitely above him, but Vader is just way more consistent.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I agree, it shouldn't be hard to understand at all, but with you bringing up so many irrelevant points,

it's difficult for me to believe we're actually on the same page.

Whether or not Palpatine was correct in his assumption doesn't concern me; my claim was that the quote doesn't imply that he was incorrect. If it were worded differently it might have, but it wasn't.

Nah dawg, I get it, I get it, but now I'ma counter your point with something unrelated to your point, because of someone else's discussion.

Yeah, I'm done. You win, congrats. 😘

1.) Luke
2.) Definatley Luke
3.) Dooku, he such an underrated swordsman. Tbh he's one of the best.
4.) Probably Luke (unless it was RotS Vader in which case Luke has no chance)

Felony thinks Luke would lose to all the council members excellent