Originally posted by Philosophía
1. Superman - 2-3/10
2. Orion - 4/10
3. Captain Marvel - 5/10
4. Lobo - 4/10
5. Martian Manhunter - 5-6/10
6. Captain Atom - 6/10
7. Wonder Woman - 4/10
8. Bizzaro - 6/10Don't make fun of him, he has an objectivity medal from 2000-something.
Do YOU have a medal? Thought so.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Superman is tailor made to beat slow mid tier strength energy manipulators like Surfer.Ask Hal Jordan how he fares against Superman. Or Captain Atom. And Cap has feats dwarfing anything Surfer has ever done.
Those characters aren't Surfer and they weren't fighting Supes under the conditions of a forum fight, ABC logic doesn't hold up here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
J'onn can become immune to fire at will.Considering Surfer's poor record against telepaths, he will rape Surfer if we go that route.
Really he can just remove his weakness at will? News to me, do you have something to support such a thing?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except that has never helped him against Superman who has beaten him almost every time.
Again, ABC logic doesn't hold up here. We're talking about Supes vs Surfer and Lobo vs Surfer based on how they match up against each other, not how Supes matches up against Lobo
Originally posted by darthgoober
Those characters aren't Surfer, ABC logic doesn't hold up here.
Yeah, they have tangible better showings than Surfer does.
Just post one feat where he actually finds weakness like that mid combat. Just one.
Really he can just remove his weakness at will? News to me, do you have something to support such a thing?
Yes, just has to switch off his telepathy or separate himself in his human guise and Martian side.
Again, ABC logic doesn't hold up here. We're talking about Supes vs Surfer and Lobo vs Surfer based on how they match up against each other, not how Supes matches up against Lobo
But even there we saw Surfer unable to beat Lunatik who koed Surfer straight up.
So how does Surfer beat Lobo?
Originally posted by abhilegendAbc logic. Just stop.
Yeah, they have tangible better showings than Surfer does.Just post one feat where he actually finds weakness like that mid combat. Just one.
Yes, just has to switch off his telepathy or separate himself in his human guise and Martian side.
But even there we saw Surfer unable to beat Lunatik who koed Surfer straight up.
So how does Surfer beat Lobo?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, they have tangible better showings than Surfer does.Just post one feat where he actually finds weakness like that mid combat. Just one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, just has to switch off his telepathy or separate himself in his human guise and Martian side.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But even there we saw Surfer unable to beat Lunatik who koed Surfer straight up.So how does Surfer beat Lobo?
Surfer DID beat Lunatic though. At least to the extent that he was interested in doing so.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Basic knowledge man, basic knowledge. Also the whole Gladiator thing.
Basic knowledge doesn't means Surfer starts acting out of character. Just like basic knowledge does not means Superman punches Surfer to death at Superspeed knowing he is slow as ****.
Gladiator showing is just a bluff seeing he never actually did that
Neither of those options really sound feasible given your pitch for Surfer to win.
Well, he has actual showings for that in case Surfer started to listen to you.
Surfer DID beat Lunatic though. At least to the extent that he was interested in doing so.
He was interested in it a lot. All he did was run away while bluffing Lunatik as he later left the planet without dying.
That would be a forum loss.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Basic knowledge doesn't means Surfer starts acting out of character. Just like basic knowledge does not means Superman punches Surfer to death at Superspeed knowing he is slow as ****.Gladiator showing is just a bluff seeing he never actually did that
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, he has actual showings for that in case Surfer started to listen to you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was interested in it a lot. All he did was run away while bluffing Lunatik as he later left the planet without dying.That would be a forum loss.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Exploiting vulnerabilities in his opponents through energy manipulation is very much in character for Surfer.
Draining only. Superman can easily counter that.
He has never tried radiation weakness in a fight against the likes of Dr Spectrum or Gladiator.
Or even hulk who could revert to Banner by gamma rays in silver age.
But not is a useful way. He either turns off his telepathy which is the closest thing to shot at winning he has, or he turns into a human and martian who should still has the vulnerability... not good options.
And why would Surfer start a fire? Is that in his character now as well?
He's not going to forfeit a forum fight abhi lol
So how does he beat Lobo when he can't beat a second rate clone?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Draining only. Superman can easily counter that.He has never tried radiation weakness in a fight against the likes of Dr Spectrum or Gladiator.
Nope, he's screwed with the energies of Jack of Hearts, Wonderman, and some solar powered semi demon looking chick who's name I can't remember without draining their energy. Face it, screwing around with energy is just in his character whether you like it or not.
He easily took care of Spectrum so he proves nothing and he made it clear that he'd have easily taken Glads out via his radiation weakness. You can claim "it was just a bluff!" but the instance doesn't show an aversion to the tactic like you're trying to make it seem.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And why would Surfer start a fire? Is that in his character now as well?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So how does he beat Lobo when he can't beat a second rate clone?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope, he's screwed with the energies of Jack of Hearts, Wonderman, and some solar powered semi demon looking chick who's name I can't remember without draining their energy. Face it, screwing around with energy is just in his character whether you like it or not.
None of them are as powerful as Superman or store bio energy like Superman.
And Surfer can't manipulate bio energy as shown against Ego.
He easily took care of Spectrum so he proves nothing and he made it clear that he'd have easily taken Glads out via his radiation weakness. You can claim "it was just a bluff!" but the instance doesn't show an aversion to the tactic like you're trying to make it seem.
Yes, it shows he goes to his routine tactics first and never tries weakness exploitation.
Yes, it was a bluff because it never happened.
He didn't try using gamma weakness for Hulk which was a common weakness before merged hulk.
Using his opponents weaknesses against them is definitely within his character. He can create fire, MM is vulnerable to fire... 2+2... I know you hate the application of logic and commonsense to an argument, but such things are in fact relevant on KMC 🙂
Could you show us one instance of such a showing where Surfer used weakness manipulation such as fire?
He certainly never used it against Namor who has a known heat weakness.
Choosing to take accomplish his primary goal easily rather than engage in a prolonged fight isn't same as being "unable to beat him".
So his primary goal was to run away after getting his ass kicked? Is that what he is doing here?
Originally posted by abhilegend
None of them are as powerful as Superman or store bio energy like Superman.And Surfer can't manipulate bio energy as shown against Ego.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it shows he goes to his routine tactics first and never tries weakness exploitation.Yes, it was a bluff because it never happened.
He didn't try using gamma weakness for Hulk which was a common weakness before merged hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Could you show us one instance of such a showing where Surfer used weakness manipulation such as fire?He certainly never used it against Namor who has a known heat weakness.
Again abhi, logic and common sense. Just because you have an issue with those things doesn't mean that everyone else does.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So his primary goal was to run away after getting his ass kicked? Is that what he is doing here?
Originally posted by darthgoober
You said he only ever drained, those instances prove your statement to be FALSE.
He only drained Symphira and her power was similar to power cosmic.
He threw the energy of Wonder Man to a loop but he is a living energy inside an ionic body.
He can't do that to Superman as he has never screwed around bio energy.
His choosing to drain Hulk rather than use gamma rays(which your scans shows to be a sketchy prospect) proves nothing.
It was sketchy as Bruce had committed mental suicide.
It shows he uses draining rather than weakness exploitation.
Why don't you post a single feat of weakness exploitation by radiation weakness if all of these prove nothing?
Heck even Thing has a radiation weakness which causes him to revert to human. And Thanos too for that's how Drax killed him.
So Surfer beats Thanos 10/10?
Again abhi, logic and common sense. Just because you have an issue with those things doesn't mean that everyone else does.
So why didn't Surfer use it on Namor? Or Worthy Attuma? Or Tyrak?
How does he starts using them only when you're arguing for it?
No his primary goal was to stop Lunatik from stirring up more trouble, binding him to that planet did just that.
No, he failed miserably at that as Lunatik slaughtered most of them when he was unconscious for hours. He vowed to have vengeance and failed again.
So he ran away.
Originally posted by darthgooberDon't run away, Gooby. I can see you already dodging, with Namor, for example.
You said he only ever drained, those instances prove your statement to be FALSE.
Where has Surfer drained somebody as powerful as Superman?
Superman has forcefully drained Maggeddon's anti-sun energy [literally the opposite of what he absorbs], which was about to vaporize half the galaxy. Superman has far greater control over the energy which you're wishfully thinking Surfer can drain him of:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon1.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389584648
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon2.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389585151
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon3.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389585678
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon4.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389586203
In that tug-of-war, Surfer is the losing man. Unless you can show him draining an energy absorber who is at Galaxy-level?
