How many wins can Silver Surfer Get (DC)

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quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Philosophía
Don't run away, Gooby. I can see you already dodging, with Namor, for example.

Where has Surfer drained somebody as powerful as Superman?

Superman has forcefully drained Maggeddon's anti-sun energy [literally the opposite of what he absorbs], which was about to vaporize half the galaxy. Superman has far greater control over the energy which you're wishfully thinking Surfer can drain him of:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon1.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389584648
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon2.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389585151
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon3.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389585678
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon4.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389586203

In that tug-of-war, Surfer is the losing man. Unless you can show him draining an energy absorber who is at Galaxy-level?

You are taking one feat and trying to base your entire case off of this one feat and ignoring the rest of his history. Oh Phil.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
He only drained Symphira and her power was similar to power cosmic.

He threw the energy of Wonder Man to a loop but he is a living energy inside an ionic body.

He can't do that to Superman as he has never screwed around bio energy.

No he cut Symphira from her solar energy, that's not draining.

Anyway, you do concede that your statement that it's only in character for Surfer to drain people in regards to using energy manipulation to exploit vulnerabilities in his opponents is patently false?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was sketchy as Bruce had committed mental suicide.

It shows he uses draining rather than weakness exploitation.

Why don't you post a single feat of weakness exploitation by radiation weakness if all of these prove nothing?

Heck even Thing has a radiation weakness which causes him to revert to human. And Thanos too for that's how Drax killed him.

So Surfer beats Thanos 10/10?

So why didn't Surfer use it on Namor? Or Worthy Attuma? Or Tyrak?

How does he starts using them only when you're arguing for it?

Draining against the Hulk IS weakness exploitation abhi.

Your line of reasoning is silly. I mean how many times does Supes have to be hit by people without superspeed to prove that it's not in character for him to use it defensively?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he failed miserably at that as Lunatik slaughtered most of them when he was unconscious for hours. He vowed to have vengeance and failed again.

So he ran away.

No he chose to leave because it was the easier and safer option.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Don't run away, Gooby. I can see you already dodging, with Namor, for example.

Where has Surfer drained somebody as powerful as Superman?

Superman has forcefully drained Maggeddon's anti-sun energy [literally the opposite of what he absorbs], which was about to vaporize half the galaxy. Superman has far greater control over the energy which you're wishfully thinking Surfer can drain him of:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon1.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389584648
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon2.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389585151
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon3.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389585678
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/absorbingmageddon4.jpg?hotlinkfix=1509389586203

In that tug-of-war, Surfer is the losing man. Unless you can show him draining an energy absorber who is at Galaxy-level?


Has he ever been drained by less than the Maggeddon?

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by darthgoober
Has he ever been drained by less than the Maggeddon?
So nothing? Good.

Now you're arguing consistency, while ignoring abhi's argument about Namor et all?

While using a microscopic sample of Surfer's appearances, to prove your case?

Well, this is fun.

How many double standards and position-switching will you take?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by darthgoober
No he cut Symphira from her solar energy, that's not draining.

He drained her powers which were closer to power cosmic.

Anyway, you do concede that your statement that it's only in character for Surfer to drain people in regards to using energy manipulation to exploit vulnerabilities in his opponents is patently false, correct?

No, because that's what he mainly does.

Why didn't he use gamma radiation to cure Ben?

One more dodge Goober.

Draining IS weakness exploitation abhi.

Which Superman can easily counter. Where is Surfer using weakness exploitation via radiation weakness?

Your line of reasoning is silly. I mean how many times does Supes have to be hit by people without superspeed to prove that it's not in character for him to use it defensively?

Except Superman has used speed to do that countless times.

Surfer hasn't used radiation based or fire based exploitation even once.

No he chose to leave because it was the easier and safer option.

No, he ran away after getting his ass kicked.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
So nothing? Good.

Now you're arguing consistency, while ignoring abhi's argument about Namor et all?

While using a microscopic sample of Surfer's appearances, to prove your case?

Well, this is fun.

How many double standards and position-switching will you take?


No I'm arguing the level to which an ability is consistantly shown and abhi and arguing a character outright "forgetting" abilities for the sake of the plot.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
He drained her powers which were closer to power cosmic.

Nope. I'm all but positive that he cut her off from her connection to the sun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because that's what he mainly does.

You said ONLY, only is an absolute.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why didn't he use gamma radiation to cure Ben?

One more dodge Goober.


Same reason Reed has issues... they want the Thing as a character.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which Superman can easily counter. Where is Surfer using weakness exploitation via radiation weakness?

So you concede that energy draining constitutes weakness exploitation?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Superman has used speed to do that countless times.

Surfer hasn't used radiation based or fire based exploitation even once.


He's exploited other characters weaknesses multiple times, yes or no?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he ran away after getting his ass kicked.

Your Surfer hate is showing abhi...

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by darthgoober
Has he ever been drained by less than the Maggeddon?

He has been drained way less than Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I did some digging and looks like Surfer has THE worst record against energy draining than ANY herald.

Against Motherboard

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-21.jpg

Against stranger

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3027-12.jpg

Against demonstar

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-12.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-13.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-14.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-15.jpg

Dynamo city

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-11.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-12.jpg

Captain reptyl

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3012-01.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3012-02-03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3012-06.jpg

Some space pirates

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/07.jpg

Dampyre

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3019.jpg

Iron man

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/norad35bd.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/norad48uz.jpg

Random minions of Pluto.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/DefendersII03p13.jpg

Rulk

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/808236-death_of_a_surfer_super.jpg

Sonic shark

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-20.jpg

Another tech drainage

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3124p15.jpg

High evolutionary

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol6.jpg

Against random energy leecher.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Marvel/Silver%20Surfer%20-%20In%20Thy%20Name%20002-022.jpg.html
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Marvel/Silver%20Surfer%20-%20In%20Thy%20Name%20002-023.jpg.html

Doom's device.

Again.

http://i.imgur.com/iqahvRg.jpg

Kree starwheel.

Random solar energy absorber.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--U9Oq7nokiA/VcIQ2dhS3bI/AAAAAAAOAPA/rZv4PMtPiHM/s1600/p_17_13.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gRzxn5y0mGs/VcIQ2lj6eeI/AAAAAAAOAPI/GL4Thd8O0Zw/s1600/p_17_14.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sRlSTDdTimk/VcIQ3BSIbEI/AAAAAAAOAPQ/M7wsAzu8hjk/s1600/p_17_15.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O3L885RUWAc/VcIQ31f4NcI/AAAAAAAOAPc/tvt3PTjMvvo/s1600/p_17_17.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-u3eVbTUPsWk/VcIQ4F_8SpI/AAAAAAAOAQM/-FDobn1uXVA/s1600/p_17_18.jpg

LMAO. Nobody brings up that against Surfer though.

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Also Surfer is powered by starlight.

Superman can absorb starlight.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111299885/5499155-3.png

Plot twist, Superman drains Surfer.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope. I'm all but positive that he cut her off from her connection to the sun.

Nope.

You said ONLY, only is an absolute.

You're in absolute negative though. No showings or feats at all.

Same reason Reed has issues... they want the Thing as a character.

That didn't stop him from draining and curing Hulk.

So you concede that energy draining constitutes weakness exploitation?

Can you show one radiation based weakness exploitation as you claim for years?

He's exploited other characters weaknesses multiple times, yes or no?

Radiation or fire based weakness as you claimed here? No.

Your Surfer hate is showing abhi...

So tell us where Surfer koed Lunatik?

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by darthgoober
No I'm arguing the level to which an ability is consistantly shown and abhi and arguing a character outright "forgetting" abilities for the sake of the plot.
So in Surfer's case it's the plot's fault, while in Superman's case is that it's not consistent - according to your vast knowledge of Superman's history, of course!

Holy double-standards, Batman!

This will go sideways for you, when it's shown that if anybody is doing the draining, it's Superman.

edit:

And there we go!

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Somehow, I doubt goob even has an idea what kryptonite is.

Firestorm, while sitting at a table, uninterrupted and seeing it first-hand [i.e. NOT being speedblitzed by Superman mid-battle] took a while and multiple tries just to create one chunk:

https://i.imgur.com/kjEKROp.jpg

Surfer, who has ZERO experience with it [while Firestorm has actually seen it], will create it mid-battle.

One of the most COMPLEX elements in the whole of DCU [kryptonite is actually an infinite power source]

Because of ZERO evidence.

This really is fun.

krisblaze Senior Member

Afaik Firestorm doesn't have cosmic awareness and has to actually know the makeup of what he's creating?

Surfer seemingly detected Gladiator's weakness no problem.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

Do you have scans of the instance? Again, I'm all but positive that's what happened. If you don't it's cool, I can ask Ambient for them I just figured I'd check with you first.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're in absolute negative though. No showings or feats at all.

Is that dodge you way of conceding the fact that the notion that Surfer never uses any form of weakness exploitation other than draining is false?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That didn't stop him from draining and curing Hulk.

From one plot to another lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can you show one radiation based weakness exploitation as you claim for years?

I can show it's within his character to do so simply with his exchange with Glads.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Radiation or fire based weakness as you claimed here? No.

Stop trying to set the terms to match your predetermined conclusion, has he exploited the weaknesses of others multiple times or not?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So tell us where Surfer koed Lunatik?

He ended up not having to because he was able to simply trap him on the planet.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by krisblaze
Afaik Firestorm doesn't have cosmic awareness and has to actually know the makeup of what he's creating?

Surfer seemingly detected Gladiator's weakness no problem.

Surfer has to know the make-up of what he is creating, too - and there's no proof that his Cosmic Awareness enables him to look at Superman's DNA, deduce the weakness [how and why?] and then create kryptonite, one of the most complex elements in the DCU in mid-fight. And Firestorm, even while knowing the configuration, had a hard time creating it on the spot, and it took practice.

Saying that the Gladiator scene[who may have known of Gladiator's weakness in the first place - there's no proof he scanned him] means that he suddenly could do the same with Superman, just because the word 'radiation' was mentioned in relation to Gladiator is a false equivalence.

CosmicComet Senior Member

Surfer ain't making K-Nite. It doesn't even exist in his universe. Even if he did it would be of his universe's making and wouldn't affect Supes anyway.

Red sun radiation is a different matter however, Surfer should know about that pretty easily.

Still, tanking the absorbtion of galaxy levels of anti-sunlight > What Surfer will conjure up.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by krisblaze
Afaik Firestorm doesn't have cosmic awareness and has to actually know the makeup of what he's creating?

Surfer seemingly detected Gladiator's weakness no problem.


Surfer knew his weakness presumably. There is no evidence of him detecting it on a whim. Hulk did that however.

It's no secret that strontians have radiation weakness.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
So in Surfer's case it's the plot's fault, while in Superman's case is that it's not consistent - according to your vast knowledge of Superman's history, of course!

Holy double-standards, Batman!

This will go sideways for you, when it's shown that if anybody is doing the draining, it's Superman.

edit:

And there we go!

His resistance is inconsistent, yes. Surfer has things about him that are inconsistent as well, and for those things we try to establish an average. Forgetting powers that would end a fight quickly though... don't we have a specific term for that kind of thing?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer has to know the make-up of what he is creating, too - and there's no proof that his Cosmic Awareness enables him to look at Superman's DNA, deduce the weakness [how and why?] and then create kryptonite, one of the most complex elements in the DCU in mid-fight. And Firestorm, even while knowing the configuration, had a hard time creating it on the spot, and it took practice.

Saying that the Gladiator scene[who may have known of Gladiator's weakness in the first place - there's no proof he scanned him] means that he suddenly could do the same with Superman, just because the word 'radiation' was mentioned in relation to Gladiator is a false equivalence.


No he doesn't. He's got nothing to support the idea that he has the technical knowledge to build a spaceship from the ground up yet he's built spaceships with the power cosmic. Hell there was even an instance where he was without powers and a lady asked him if he could operate a computer and he flat out said that he could if he had his power cosmic but couldn't without it.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer knew his weakness presumably. There is no evidence of him detecting it on a whim. Hulk did that however.

It's no secret that strontians have radiation weakness.


And K-nite is outright mentioned in regards to "common knowledge" in the forum rules.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Easiest way to beat someone is to exploit their weakness especially if said character or characters have very specific ones. Either that or there's a matchup mismatch based on powerset that gives one character a distinct advantage over the other.