Yeah, I saw a bunch of people walk out as the first set of credits started rolling and was just like, "Yeah, you're missing out on a bit." But then when the two scenes actually came, it was like, "Oh, they missed a lot." The 2nd one made me wonder
Spoiler:
"who else?" Because first contact happened decades ago. So, yeah, looks like a possible Secret Invasion adaptation for at least part of the next phase.
Really didn’t care about
Spoiler:. Legit zero interest if that’s the case as the
Nick and Maria being skrulls
Spoiler:at least cinematically are boring villains from what I saw in Captain Marvel. I’d honestly rather see them introduce new characters than go that route. On the other hand the other cut scene opens up an interesting predicament for Peter, and I laughed at how they
Skrulls
Spoiler:. The writer and directors admitted they painted themselves into a corner, and it’ll be interesting to see how they fix this.
Introduced Jameson like an Alex Jones type nutjob
Also I loved the film it was much more interesting than Homecoming. Without spoiling anything there’s a cool sequence involving Mysterio in Berlin, which I feel ranks among the best moments in Spiderman movies. In general, Beck was a great villain and really loathsomely exploited Peter in ways. I still don’t care for MJ and probably never will. Also I feel like Samuel L kind of phoned his performance in and the stupidity of Flash and the two male teachers will get old over subsequent viewings. Overall, most of the humor worked for me (mainly involving Happy and Peter), and Peters gradual evolution as a character and struggle between his own identity and expectations in filling Tony’s enormous shoes was well done. I’m hoping we get a villain as good as Mysterio next film.
8/10
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Maybe not a strict adaptation, but they could do something. I mean, do we actually knowSpoiler:
what the real Fury's agenda even is at this point?Fake Fury was also very agitated during the film when Peter mentioned Captain Marvel. Wonder what happened there.
Oh
Spoiler:
Fury and fake Fury worship CM. Thats all. lol
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Not really sure what that was all about. I mean cant beSpoiler:
secret Invasion because they were imitating Nick Fury under his orders. But was thinking will the Skrulls help prove Parker isnt Spidey? Or do we think thats it now for Parkers secret identity?
I didn't really see the big deal about that. He's
Spoiler:
the only Avenger who people don't know their identity. It's not exactly been a problem for any of the others save for the attack on Stark's house in IM3
Maybe this is just me being nitpicky but I don't think I'll every get used to Peter not making his own suit/gadgets from non-sponsored materials.
Also
Spoiler:
Fury being a Skrull does absolutely nothing for me as there doesn't appear to be any kind of setup for anything or contribute to something worthwhile. Instead it just feels like an out to not make Fury look dumb for trusting Mysterio.
Mysterio himself is great. So much so that in some scenes Spiderman feels like a side character in his own film.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I didn't really see the big deal about that. He'sSpoiler:
the only Avenger who people don't know their identity. It's not exactly been a problem for any of the others save for the attack on Stark's house in IM3
Because hes
Spoiler:
a kid, with family in NY. Doesnt live in Avengers headquarters. Theres literally nothing stopping super villains going after May, MJ and Ned. Scorpion was dying to know who he was in the end credit scene for Homecoming remember.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaAlso
Spoiler:
Fury being a Skrull does absolutely nothing for me as there doesn't appear to be any kind of setup for anything or contribute to something worthwhile. Instead it just feels like an out to not make Fury look dumb for trusting Mysterio.
Yeah end credit scene was just what credit scenes are supposed to be- a nudge, a wink, a possible tease of things to come. So wasnt essential to wait around for.
Mid-Credit scene was jaw dropping, was the legit end of the movie so shouldnt even have been in the credits. Like the movie literally ends differently if you dont wait around for it.
Finally got to see this. It was fantastic, but weird. I think I actually preferred Homecoming but it's difficult to say. It was inconsistent. It's highs beat Homecoming comfortably, but its lows definitely dragged it down. Still loved it of course. Mysterio was fantastic and easily the best part of the movie (well, other than a new character who gave me one of my favorite moments in the entire MCU). These movies have been doing great with Spidey's rogues, other than Shocker.
Spoiler:
That after credits scene was insane. Hell of a final f*ck you from Beck. I love how it played on the "villain dies so the heroes secret identity is safe" trope. They played that up (despite his entire team knowing who Pete is, anyways). They even cut away the video right before Mysterio spilled Petes identity to the entire world only to get it back online and shatter his world. The best part of it all was JJJ being played by JK Simmons being the one to out Spidey. This is the scene I was talking about. It is by far my favorite scene in the entire past decade+ of MCU movies. IMO Simmons as JJJ is the best character casting I've ever seen in a movie. There really was no improving on him from Raimi's Spidey movies, so I'm ecstatic he's back and had such a strong start to his "Spider-Man is a public menace!" crusade.Other than that, the first fight with Mysterio in the abandoned building was the best scene of the movie. The pacing felt weird up to this point, and the elementals were a lame plot point. Hydro-Man and Molten Man shouldn't have been wasted here and Beck should have been more imaginative with his fake world threat. I did like his entire plan/motivation (not as much as Vultures motivation though). Yeah, we've already seen this exact plot in the first Incredibles, but Mysterio technically did it first. This was classic Beck, and Gyllenhaal did a good job of playing him to be the egotistical outright bastard he is. Unfortunately, that also made the movie predictable. From the first trailer, we all knew the elementals were an obvious ploy by Beck. We all knew Spidey would overcome his illusions with his Spidey sense. The entire movie was predictable until Becks final play in the after credits scene.
The dialogue felt a lot weirder here. This was the biggest step down from Homecoming IMO. A lot of the acting felt wooden. MJ especially was rough here, which sucks since I actually like the character and thought she was one of the best in Homecoming. Her chemistry with Pete was the only thing believable about her, and even that had some really generic dialogue in the end. That scene with Happy and Petes friend in the vault where they listed off their regrets and Happy joined in also felt kind of cringy. It made almost everyone kind of come off flat/one dimensional (other than Mysterio who carried the movie IMO, and all the best scenes were delivered by him). I know they were going for the "awkward teens" angle, but it still didn't work for me.
A lot of the jokes in the movie came off kind of childish too. Plus, I don't think Pete made me audibly laugh once. Where were the quips? He spent the entire movie flipping between whining and freaking out until he manned up after Happy's pep talk. It just didn't feel like Spidey. As much as it pains me to say it, I'm still not sold on Holland's Spidey. He's fantastic as Peter Parker, but he's no closer to being Spidey than Tobey was.
I also wasn't a fan of Aunt May being so casual about Pete being Spidey. There was no real worry despite him having just died (yeah, she blipped out of existence too, but it should still hammer home the stakes for her). I do like the fact that she was so supportive about it, but there should have been some apprehension. I also wasn't a fan of her dating Happy so soon after Uncle Ben's death. Yeah, it's been 4 years in-universe, but it's been a year or less for her since she was blipped the entire time. Uncle Ben feels like he doesn't even exist. Stark is played up as Pete's father figure and his death is now what haunts Pete the most.
Spidey being so loose with his secret identity was stupid too. I get that a lot of this iteration is based on Ultimate spidey where people figuring out his identity was a running gag, but that was never because Pete was loose about it. He just got into shitty situations and people connected the dots. Are you really gonna sit around maskless in a full bar in your stealth suit with Mysterio after everyone saw you swinging around (honestly, wtf was this scene)? Are you really going to give your new love interest that all your school mates know you're dating a swing around the city and then set her down on a crowded city street? You 100% deserved that ending and all the fallout it entails. Stop taking your mask off.
Otherwise, I liked Pete using the giant taser web to take out Mysterios illusion. That was a smart move, and gave some pay off to the taser web being useless in Homecoming.
I loved him defeating Beck by blindly trusting his spidey-sense. It's always annoyed me how inconsistent it's been in the MCU, and I hope that's not a problem anymore.
I loved him being more competent in this movie, and it made for some fantastic action scenes. I can't see this Spidey getting the crap kicked out of him by Cap, Vulture, or Shocker anymore.
I liked him finally making his own suit, but enough with all the Stark tech. Build your own and stop trying to be Iron Man 2.0.
I loved Beck being the one to create Stark's hologram tech. Him and his team being disgruntled former Stark employees plays well into the "everyman" motivation Spidey's rogues always have. Unfortunately, that also made it somewhat of a Toomes rehash (though less relatable), so minus some points for that. Still, that's not his entire motivation. I think it was 20% that and 80% ego and attention whoring, which still fits with Beck.
I loved the Parker Luck on display. There were actual ramifications to his double life this time. The lack of consequences in Homecoming was one of my biggest complaints.
I'm not sure how I feel about Beck dying in his first outing. I liked it being due to his own hubris, and I liked it setting up the big twist so well, but it seems like a huge waste of the character. He still has so much potential for future stories. Hopefully this is somehow another trick of his. Beck doesn't just use illusions after all. Maybe he tampered with the glasses or something. If he's alive, it could pay off with one hell of a twist/reveal in a future movie. We won't see the illusion coming.
My third favorite scene was the ending swing sequence. It felt so good to finally see this Spidey swinging through NYC skyscrapers. I personally wasn't a fan of the globetrotting in this movie, but it set up a third movie perfectly. Spidey in NYC with Simmon's JJJ on his case, the public and police against him, and MJ as his love interest (he just needs to start working part time at the Bugle, though I don't know how that's possible now). No more Iron Man father figure to save his butt, and hopefully minimal Avengers involvement. Spidey needs to be his own super hero and operate independently.
Hopefully the next villain is Scorpion. Gargan is already fixated on wrecking Pete and his life, and now we've got JJJ. Have him finance Gargans operation and set him loose. I also wouldn't mind Kraven hunting him down. Just none of the big 3. Osborn needs a few movies of set up. Venom needs at least 1 prior to his villain outing. Ock has already been done perfectly in Spider-Man 2 and the PS4 game, so give him a rest. Elevate someone else if you have to. I would love a Kingpin/NYC underground centered film with a few lower tier villains as his henchmen.
8.5-9/10 for me.