Originally posted by TrocityYou ignored the facts, the implications, and the interviews. You ignored it all to post gifs in an attempt to troll and show you're incapable of refuting well anything. It's ok that you breathe out of your mouth. What's a nose for besides picking and eating your own boogers, mouth breather.
Yeah... didn't think so. 🙁 😂And just like Snoke, you slide back into irrelevancy.
See ya next year after episode 9!
Originally posted by quanchi112
False, as per Luke's words both Ben and Rey had more raw strength than practically anyone he ever witnessed.Spoiler:Snoke was beyond conflict unlike Palpatine who stalemated Yoda force powers, lost to Windu and begged, and was killed by a one armed weaponless Vader who didn't use force powers. Snoke rapes Sidious.
Ben beat Luke pre Force Awakens.
Rey and Ren having greater raw power than anyone Luke had met before means nothing, as raw power/potential doesn't amount to much in comparison of usable, mastered, power. Luke's own raw power should be just as great as theirs, if not more.
Ben didn't "beat" Luke, he caught Luke off guard after Luke realized he was doing something wrong and hesitated. It's almost like you didn't see the movie, or are too stupid to make basic observations.
Sidious bested Yoda in the Force. He didn't "lose" to Windu, which the novelization makes rather clear (yes, the novelization IS canon as per Hidalgo's word). There's a simple justification for Sidious being killed by Vader, one you're obviously too clueless to understand.
And you call US trolls, lmao.
Luke ended up not wanting to
Spoiler:
kill Ben though, he refrained but Ben went for the kill from the get go. Snoke blasted Kylo with lightning that Kylo shrugged off, and tortured Rey who did have impressive growth from her short time of training
Does anyone get a Nomi Sunrider esque vibe from Nomi in terms of growth btw?
Originally posted by darthbane77We see what happened when both Ben and Rey tested themselves against him. How did it turn out ? Did Luke look massively superior ? Be honest now. Again Luke's statements matter since he knew Palpatine and Vader. We don't see how these two would match up power wise with Palpatine and Vader.
Rey and Ren having greater raw power than anyone Luke had met before means nothing, as raw power/potential doesn't amount to much in comparison of usable, mastered, power. Luke's own raw power should be just as great as theirs, if not more.Ben didn't "beat" Luke, he caught Luke off guard after Luke realized he was doing something wrong and hesitated. It's almost like you didn't see the movie, or are too stupid to make basic observations.
Sidious bested Yoda in the Force. He didn't "lose" to Windu, which the novelization makes rather clear (yes, the novelization IS canon as per Hidalgo's word). There's a simple justification for Sidious being killed by Vader, one you're obviously too clueless to understand.
And you call US trolls, lmao.
Oh the irony. Luke went there with his saber drawn and did feel the shame of it but still was able to defend himself with his abilities. It's almost as if you're ignoring Luke had ample time to defend himself considering he's a Jedi and didn't have his guard lowered. So I guess because Kylo didn't scream Luke are you ready now I'm going to defend myself this isn't fair. You're a joke.
No, Sidious stalemated him since the force of the blast sent both of them reeling back. It wasn't like the lightning just hit Yoda it was redirected. Palpatine didn't fly off since he had a better position on the pod when the force hit him than Yoda. Lucas already stated Windu overpowered him which is clear by the scene. No one makes a film that can't be interpreted by the scenes in it you biased nerd.
Your excuses don't matter. He had one arm, no weapon, and didn't use the force. Ignore the facts like you always do.
Refuted. Facts matter. Your silly bias doesn't.
Snoke wasn't impressive at all.
His lightning did nothing more than knock Kylo to the ground for a bit.
Dookus lightning was more impressive in Aotc when he tossed anakin across the room and ko'd him with 1 shot. The same lightning that Yoda absorbed from Dooku easily, whose absorbtion was matched/exceeded by palpatines lightning in RoTs.
As for tk feats he did nothing more than toss around a hundred pound woman who put up no defense, and didn't even really know what the force was a day or two earlier.
Compare that to tossing senate pods around like ping pong balls, catching them and throwing them back, lifting an x wing out of the swamp, crushing the life out of people etc... There's really no comparison.
His tossing hux around via hologram was even inferior to Vader killing Ozzel.
Snoke might have the edge in featless fodder red guards tho. They certainly put up a better fight for a minute or two against Rey and Kylo than Palpatines did for the half a second they lasted against Yoda. Tho maybe Yodas just that much more powerful.
Originally posted by ares834
I gotta say, I am impressed by their restraint to not simply make everything bigger and "better". I thought for sure they were going to make Rey into some ultra chosen one making Luke and Anakin insignificant, but in the end she is just some girl who is powerful in the Force.
But she is better than Luke and Anakin. Yoda came back from the dead just to give her his endorsement and tell Luke she's the *real* hero.
Everything Luke did was basically irrelevant. The Empire still controls the galaxy, there are still no Jedi, the Republic got BTFO once again. If you erase the OT nothing would change in the big picture really. If Luke had stayed on Tatooine instead of joining Obi-Wan it wouldn't have affected the galaxy in any significant way. At least he wouldn't have died a virgin.