Originally posted by Bentley
The level of Ben and Rey at that point in time is speculation, the difference between their power and Snoke's is speculation too (given that at no point we see them fighting directly). Given that after dealing with Snoke they were circled by his personal guard it's logical to assume trying to fight him there and then was risky not just because of Snoke's personal power.
That is incorrect because we see both at different points in the film attempt to fight him. Both are toyed with relative ease. We already saw Rey try to fight him. He warned off his personal guard. Rewatch the film. If you can't remember Rey trying to attack him and him backing off his own personal guard how can I expect to have a debate with an ignorant poster. We also see Snoke glean the information he needed from Rey since Kylo was too weak to do so himself. No one could him take on directly. We saw Kylo try and take a bolt to be easily humbled. Snoke set his machinations in place to manipulate him.
Not saying he isn't stronger than they are, I think that it's heavily implied he could defeat either of them. This doesn't mean he's stronger because of raw force power, he has an obvious advantage in experience and control of the force (see Dooku manhandling Anakin in their first encounter, that doesn't diminsh the fact Anakin had more power in spades).
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We see he's stronger in force power since he overpowered Rey's will something Kylo was unable to directly do himself while she had no training.
Anakin was a better duelist he never overpowered Dooku in the force. Anakin defeating Dooku in a Lightsaber battle has nothing to do with raw force power just that he's a better duelist in that battle than Dooku. He had more potential as in a higher ceiling but the guy who was Dooku's whipping boy Kenobi brought his ceiling down ten feet at the end of rots.
An older Luke in an inconclusive battle. A battle between older fighters that know intimately each other is different than a random encounter by people that cross swords less often. Luke trained Ben and they fought when he wasn't mentally ready to have that combat.
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Luke was armed and still had his abilities. It isn't my fault he was overwhelmed with shame. He came at Kylo first and we see how Ben responded with more than enough time for Luke to defend himself. He was armed. He does not have to scream out his intentions before reacting to what his eyes are showing him.
We also see Rey and her skills are obviously up to par with Luke when she's pissed. Her skills and powers do not matter whatsoever against Snoke. She's force raped at his will. He toyed with her while mocking her.
I think if anything their battle is more like Obi vs Anakin on the two separate occasions they fought: the familiarity with each other and age gap, as well as the determination of each fighter are very realistic factors for the fight resulting in the way it did (two different outcomes). Basically, too many character related circumstances that make the result be murky when it comes to "power".To make the matters worse, it's unproven that Luke could've beaten Palpatine by himself at any point in time so comparisons with him are moot.
An interview is an interview and we go by feats. It's not as if the interview said "Snoke beats Palpatine". [/B]
We go by the total picture not just the feats. Anyone who says one part of the equation only matters is a very juvenile mind. I can't force you to grasp what the film tells us. Snoke is by far more powerful than anyone in the film. We see how he overwhelms Rey with relative ease and what he does to Kylo after he mocked him. Snoke is beyond conflict and the most powerful force user seen on film especially when we take feats, statements, and the interviews which all reach the same conclusion.
Don't be a trump and say there's no collusion when it's rather obvious.