Hela vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Not really, punch is easier to focus the strength, especially on their strength level and durability.

You are keep avoiding the other facts WW had proven in that battle against Doomsday as well. She is stronger and quicker, has the weapon advantage here.

I can get behind WW being quicker. But stronger? After she caught and held Mjolnir then crushed it all with zero effort?

And even worse: weapon advantage?? Hela was a walking weapon factory. How in the world does WW have the weapon advantage here?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
It's obviously magic because her later fight never showed very high strength compare to Superman and Wonder Woman. Even her blade threw didn't have such strength as well.

This is pretty much it when you can only use such example to show she got strength advantage and ignore most of the movie showed her true strength.

Your opinion isn't proof.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Not really, punch is easier to focus the strength, especially on their strength level and durability.

You are keep avoiding the other facts WW had proven in that battle against Doomsday as well. She is stronger and quicker, has the weapon advantage here.

So if I were to punch you in the face with my fist, you think it would hurt less if I hit you with a metal shield instead?

Heck if this is your way of thinking we might as well say that Thor can hit harder with just his fists than with mjolnir.

WW is not proven in battle against DD. She fought a 3 v. 1 battle against DD. She fought him solo for only a few seconds.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Visible evidence is proof unto itself. Ie. We see no evidence of magic (no visual cues or storytelling elements that point to it) thus there is no evidence of magic.

No evidence of asserted = asserttion cannot be proven. Logic 101.

With strength, it is visibly shown she applied force with her hands, thus she applied her strength. Provable fact.

Now I’m not saying that her using some magic to aid in crushing Mjolnir is implausible. There just has no evidence to it.

He knows Hela was shown using strength, the sock is just trolling.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
None of that discredits the fact that she used strength for the hammer catch and crush.

So you have nothing to continue our debate?

Agreed.

Just more trolling.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So if I were to punch you in the face with my fist, you think it would hurt less if I hit you with a metal shield instead?

Heck if this is your way of thinking we might as well say that Thor can hit harder with just his fists than with mjolnir.

WW is not proven in battle against DD. She fought a 3 v. 1 battle against DD. She fought him solo for only a few seconds.

We are NOT talking about ordinary humans, but supernatural beings whose skin is TOUGHER than metal, so it doesn't matter. Superman using a fist to punch is not weaker than a shield smash, since he could focus his strength on the fist punch better.

Yes she was, quite a few scenes proved her durability, strength and speed factor was on par or close to Superman/Doomsday, with THIS and the weapon advantage, Hela got no chance because she is mostly a physical fighter as well.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
We are NOT talking about ordinary humans, but supernatural beings whose skin is TOUGHER than metal, so it doesn't matter. Superman using a fist to punch is not weaker than a shield smash, since he could focus his strength on the fist punch better.

Yes she was, quite a few scenes proved her durability, strength and speed factor was on par or close to Superman/Doomsday, with THIS and the weapon advantage, Hela got no chance because she is mostly a physical fighter as well.

For one, Hela is stronger.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I can get behind WW being quicker. But stronger? After she caught and held Mjolnir then crushed it all with zero effort?

And even worse: weapon advantage?? Hela was a walking weapon factory. How in the world does WW have the weapon advantage here?

Yes, Hela couldn't even smash any of the Asgardians with her raw power and had to rely on weapons to do so, and Asgardians could be easily killed by M16. By your logic Vision much be much much stronger than Hulk right?

Wonder Woman's shield/bracelet is perfect against Hela's blade threw along with the speed advantage, she has the lasso to shackle Hela as well, with these 3 advantages, what could Hela do other than rely on how long her healing factor could keep up?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Yes, Hela couldn't even smash any of the Asgardians with her raw power and had to rely on weapons to do so, and Asgardians could be easily killed by M16. By your logic Vision much be much much stronger than Hulk right?

Wonder Woman's shield/bracelet is perfect against Hela's blade threw along with the speed advantage, she has the lasso to shackle Hela as well, with these 3 advantages, what could Hela do other than rely on how long her healing factor could keep up?

Hela crushed Mjolnir, which is much better than anything WW has done strength wise.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hela crushed Mjolnir, which is much better than anything WW has done strength wise.

And she couldn't crush any of the Asgardians with her punch, when M16 could do it easily. THIS has proved it's pure magic buff.

Otherwise Hulk sucks on raw strength compare to Vision and Thor because he could not lift the hammer.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
And she couldn't crush any of the Asgardians with her punch, when M16 could do it easily. THIS has proved it's pure magic buff.

Otherwise Hulk sucks on raw strength compare to Vision and Thor because he could not lift the hammer.

All you're doing is proving that living Asgardians have great durability.

Hela crushing Mjolnir is a better strength feat than anything WW did.

Seriously I don't get why people are still arguing for this.

Hela had many many scenes of showing her physical strength, none of them were incredible other than crush hammer thing. We also knew Mjolnir is a magical object, it's obvious that she used magic to crush it.

Otherwise we would have to admit that M16 could make the same effect as well.

Hela was strong, but mainly as a physical fighter she had huge disadvantage against DCEU heroes. The M16 scene further proved how weak the Asgardians were.

Originally posted by Silent Master
All you're doing is proving that living Asgardians have great durability.

Hela crushing Mjolnir is a better strength feat than anything WW did.

Yes, great durability, the elite undead Asgardians with the magical flame buff were killed by M16 like ease.

Vision holding the hammer is better strength feat than Hulk, same with Thor, and we still see Hulk smashes.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Seriously I don't get why people are still arguing for this.

Hela had many many scenes of showing her physical strength, none of them were incredible other than crush hammer thing. We also knew Mjolnir is a magical object, it's obvious that she used magic to crush it.

Otherwise we would have to admit that M16 could make the same effect as well.

Hela was strong, but mainly as a physical fighter she had huge disadvantage against DCEU heroes. The M16 scene further proved how weak the Asgardians were.

Yep, Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir, which is much better than anything WW did with strength.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Yes, great durability, the elite undead Asgardians with the magical flame buff were killed by M16 like ease.

Vision holding the hammer is better strength feat than Hulk, same with Thor, and we still see Hulk smashes.

Thanks for agreeing that living Asgardians had better durability feats than the undead

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir, which is much better than anything WW did with strength.

Thanks for agreeing that living Asgardians had better durability feats than the undead

And she couldn't crush any of her foes, that means she was using magic.

Yeah, the elite undead Asgardians, who were kicking the living ones' ass badly, were obliterated by M16.

You are keep saying the living Asgardians are better but the movie didn't show us it. They were owned badly by the elite undead.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
And she couldn't crush any of her foes, that means she was using magic.

Yeah, the elite undead Asgardians, who were kicking the living ones' ass badly, were obliterated by M16.

Which is a great durability feat for them given that Hela can crush Mjolnir. what does WW have that can match it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is a great durability feat for them given that Hela can crush Mjolnir. what does WW have that can match it?

Prove it. You are using your statement as your proof, this is a way of fallacy.

We saw the undead elite Asgardians were owning the living ones badly, they got obliterated by M16. Nothing ever showed they got weaker durability at all.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Prove it. You are using your statement as your proof, this is a way of fallacy.

We saw the undead elite Asgardians were owning the living ones badly, they got obliterated by M16. Nothing ever showed they got weaker durability at all.

Watch the movie, Hela is strong enough to easily crush Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Watch the movie, Hela is strong enough to easily crush Mjolnir.

So it's all you got now? Numerous scenes has shown Hela's true strength and Mjolnir itself has proved to be a magical item not rely on raw physcial strength to break. You just hold on it and ignoring everything else because they are all against your point and even this doesn't make a good argument.

Then that's pretty much it since this argument is over.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
So it's all you got now? Numerous scenes has shown Hela's true strength and Mjolnir itself has proved to be a magical item not rely on raw physcial strength to break. You just hold on it and ignoring everything else because they are all against your point and even this doesn't make a good argument.

Then that's pretty much it since this argument is over.

I have Hela being strong enough to crush Mjolnir. what do you have from WW to match?