You cannnot transfer the “feats” or showings of normal Asgardians to that of Undead ones. Use living Asgaridan showings for living Asgardians. You want to get a mod ruling on this so we don’t waste time?
You have no proof that Mjolnir was destroyed by anything other than strength. You are just speculating.
Originally posted by SlowpokeThe same argument decimates WW since she relied on her weapons against Doomsday along with help from Superman and Batman. So you'll use double standards and repeat baseless arguments all trolling. Hela easily overpowered Thor and she used her abilities to solo Asgard's military. The undead army was killing non warrior asgardians. Seriously your argument is terrible.
Yes, Hela couldn't even smash any of the Asgardians with her raw power and had to rely on weapons to do so, and Asgardians could be easily killed by M16. By your logic Vision much be much much stronger than Hulk right?Wonder Woman's shield/bracelet is perfect against Hela's blade threw along with the speed advantage, she has the lasso to shackle Hela as well, with these 3 advantages, what could Hela do other than rely on how long her healing factor could keep up?
You cannnot transfer the “feats” or showings of normal Asgardians to that of Undead ones. Use living Asgaridan showings for living Asgardians. You want to get a mod ruling on this so we don’t waste time? You have no proof that Mjolnir was destroyed by anything other than strength. You are just speculating.
Really?
The undead Asgardians were the elite soldiers who fought in real war, not the living ones who were built in peace time.
The undead Asgardians were buffed by the eternal flame, which was a big magic bonus.
The undead Asgardians were very strong and fast, they were owning the living ones badly, even Heimdall almost got killed by them.
Tell me where did it say their durability were lower than the living ones, when they got such high strength, speed, fighting skill and got very strong overall menace to the living ones?
I don't? Hela had a whole movie to show her strength and it's obviously not really high, her punches and dagger throwing both proved that, of course it means her crushing Mjolnir feat was magic.
Now the only feat Hela could bring out was crushing Mjolnir. Yet it was a magical item and we had the later fights to show her physical strength, which was much more reliable than using a magical item to measure.
Wonder Woman had numerous scenes against Doomsday to prove her superior strength and speed, along with the weapon advantage, this is really a waste of time to deny the silly fact.
Originally posted by Slowpoke
Really?1) The undead Asgardians were the elite soldiers who fought in real war, not the living ones who were built in peace time.
2) The undead Asgardians were buffed by the eternal flame, which was a big magic bonus.
3) The undead Asgardians were very strong and fast, they were owning the living ones badly, even Heimdall almost got killed by them.4) Tell me where did it say their durability were lower than the living ones, when they got such high strength, speed, fighting skill and got very strong overall menace to the living ones?
5) I don't? Hela had a whole movie to show her strength and it's obviously not really high, her punches and dagger throwing both proved that, of course it means her crushing Mjolnir feat was magic.
1) Irrelevant. They are not living Asgardians so we do not give their durability showings to living Asgardians.
2) See above.
3) See above.
4) it doesn’t have to say anything. Undead Asgardians and living Asgardians are not the same as they have major qualities/factors/conditiond/traits that clesrly differentiate one from the other (decomposition/lack of skin). So we do not share showings. Again, we can get a mod to rule on this So as to not waste time.
5) And Hela showed her strength by catching and crushing Mjolnir. You don’t get to ignore her “feats” just because you don’t like it by coming up with an unproven theory just to lowball a character.
1) Irrelevant. They are not living Asgardians so we do not give their durability showings to living Asgardians.
2) See above. 3) See above. 4) it doesn’t have to say anything.Undead Asgardians and living Asgardians are not the same as they have major qualities/factors/conditiond/traits that clesrly differentiate one from the other (decomposition/lack of skin). So we do not share showings. Again, we can get a mod to rule on this So as to not waste time. 5) And Hela showed her strength by catching and crushing Mjolnir. You don’t get to ignore her “feats” just because you don’t like it by coming up with an unproven theory just to lowball a character.
We saw the undead Asgardians were kicking the living ones' ass badly and almost kill those on the ship. Even Heimdall was almost killed by them. They were shown as extremely strong against the living Asgardians both on strength and speed. Tell me WHERE did it show their durability is bad? Even when they were cut down by magic or sword, they weren't falling slower than the living Asgardians.
5) So Vision showed his strength by lifting the hammer and Hulk couldn't do so, what could it prove on strength? You are keep using a very vague example which was a magical item even though nearly rest of the entire movie was showing us she didn't have much higher strength. This is a very weak statement as I have pointed out pages ago, it's a big waste of time here.
Originally posted by Slowpoke
1) 2) 3) 4)Show me where did it say they have worse durability at all? Where is your proof? If you want to show they are not the same you need to give proof.We saw the undead Asgardians were kicking the living ones' ass badly and almost kill those on the ship. Even Heimdall was almost killed by them. They were shown as extremely strong against the living Asgardians both on strength and speed. Tell me WHERE did it show their durability is bad? Even when they were cut down by magic or sword, they weren't falling slower than the living Asgardians.
5) So Vision showed his strength by lifting the hammer and Hulk couldn't do so, what could it prove on strength? You are keep using a very vague example which was a magical item even though nearly rest of the entire movie was showing us she didn't have much higher strength. This is a very weak statement as I have pointed out pages ago, it's a big waste of time here.
1-4) Why would I need more than what is visually evident? Undead Asgardians are not Live Asgardians. One has skin and has not been decomposing for centuries, the other has been. They are not the same. Thus they do not share “feats” and showings. Each are taken separate from the other. Me punching a 1000 year old decomposing mummy and smashing it with my fist does not make me strong enough to punch a living person’s head off. What is so hard to understand here?
Your entire line of logic is a complete non sequitor. Them killing Live Asgardians using Asgardian weapons does not make them Live Asgardians.
5) Now you are just being silly. Vision’s purity of soul made him worthy thus he could lift the hammer. He didn’t overwhelm the enchantment, he passed the requirements needed to lift it. That is the entire crux of the story on why they decided to trust him and if you don’t know this, then you need to rewatch the movie again.
At what point was she shown to “not have much higher strength”. Where did she fail to lift anything or fail to overpower anyone (other than full power Surtur)? Post proof and not your opinions.
Originally posted by NibedicusHopefully slowpoke is taking his own life.
1-4) Why would I need more than what is visually evident? Undead Asgardians are not Live Asgardians. One has skin and has not been decomposing for centuries, the other has been. They are not the same. Thus they do not share “feats” and showings. Each are taken separate from the other. Me punching a 1000 year old decomposing mummy and smashing it with my fist does not make me strong enough to punch a living person’s head off. What is so hard to understand here?Your entire line of logic is a complete non sequitor. Them killing Live Asgardians using Asgardian weapons does not make them Live Asgardians.
5) Now you are just being silly. Vision’s purity of soul made him worthy thus he could lift the hammer. He didn’t overwhelm the enchantment, he passed the requirements needed to lift it. That is the entire crux of the story on why they decided to trust him and if you don’t know this, then you need to rewatch the movie again.
At what point was she shown to “not have much higher strength”. Where did she fail to lift anything or fail to overpower anyone (other than full power Surtur)? Post proof and not your opinions.