Originally posted by RobtardNaw, not even being a memer. Didn't like it.
Come. On.
I'll give it credit for actually having the balls to split Baby Yeed off from Mando, but bringing in hideous PS2 graphics CGI Luke Skywalker was pure fanservice. That the finale was also completely lacking in any tension at all is just a bonus.
I have no idea why they felt they had to rely so much on preexisting concepts and characters for this season. Season 1 was just fine without them. I cringed when Ahsoka showed up, and rolled my eyes when Grand Admiral Thrawn was mentioned. By the time Boba Fett became a main cast member I was pretty checked out.
All this does is make the galaxy seem extremely small.
Luke is the most logical person to take Grogu. As of RotJ, Luke seems to be the only Jedi truly active in the galaxy. The rest are either dead or in hiding. And we have little reason to believe that changed in the aftermath of Endor. Furthermore, he took it upon himself to recreate the Jedi Order. It makes perfect sense for Luke to find Grogu and take him as an apprentice in that regard. There is no better candidate.
It doesn't make any sense for other Jedi to be in hiding this long after RotJ, though.
Also, timeline wise it doesn't really make sense for him to be the one to take Yeed because we the audience know that within like a decade most if not all of the Jedi Luke trained will be dead and he'll be in exile. Even if you wanted to insist that Yeed was not among those killed by Ren (which is the likely blurb we'll be given soas to not make his story too grimdark), we know with 100% certainty due to the ST and the slow aging of his species that Yeed will never have any grand role to play in the events of the galaxy by the time of the sequels. He either dies in the Temple or is whisked away by someone else and will continue to live in exile being taken care of by someone that's not Luke.
Which is the big issue here. By giving him to Luke, Yeed's entire "arc" so to speak is pointless. The Mandalorian starts with Yeed getting passed around by strangers while looking for a home. It ends with him being given to yet another individual in what we know is a temporary arrangement. With a swipe of the pendulum he'll be right back to getting passed around. He still hasn't actually found a true home. His story ends where it started.
The best ending would have been for Yeed to be reunited with his own kind. They could have still had their fanservice, too.
CGI robed and hooded midget slaughters its way through the ship
reaches the bridge and lowers its hood
its a yoda with hair
"who are you?"
"yaddle, am I. come for the child, I have"
hire me disney
Originally posted by Tzeentch
we know with 100% certainty due to the ST and the slow aging of his species that Yeed will never have any grand role to play in the events of the galaxy by the time of the sequels. He either dies in the Temple or is whisked away by someone else and will continue to live in exile being taken care of by someone that's not Luke.
The slow aging of his species is prefect to erase the sequel trilogy garbage.
Makes no sense for him to die or be whisked away like a baby because the sequels/death of Luke's Jedi students, take place a good 30+ years after Luke takes Grogu.
So Grogu would have more than enough training to be a Jedi master by then. No matter if he is still a juvenile.
So they can easily make it so Grogu is off world/galaxy somewhere. Planet Yoda or whatever else. And reappear 100 or more years after the Rise of Skywalker. So all the sequel trilogy characters would be long dead and forgotten. Start a new, with the sequel trilogy having no effect on newer movies if done correctly. Sweep that shit under the rug and move on.
I seriously don't see why people think its super hard to erase the sequels, especially the way i outlined. Its a flawless plan moving forward if they do something like this. Literally no downsides.
Not when it takes 50 years for them to reach the mental capacity of a 1-year-old human, which is about where Yeed is developmentally. Grogu was born the same year Anakin was, but what does he have to show for that by the time Mando finds him?
Assuming his species' rate of growth is linear he would need like a century+ of parenting before he could be self-sufficient.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Not when it takes 50 years for them to reach the mental capacity of a 1-year-old human, which is about where Yeed is developmentally. Grogu was born the same year Anakin was, but what does he have to show for that by the time Mando finds him?Assuming his species' rate of growth is linear he would need like a century+ of parenting before he could be self-sufficient.
You are still not getting it.
Whatever explanation, story or events that Favreau and Filoni pull out their ass to have Grogu survive no matter how corny and stupid it is, it will be done for the greater good which is to erase the sequel trilogy out of ****ing existence. Or to at least burry it at much as possible.
That is legitimately the only way to continue making movies in the main storyline now that the sequels have shit on the main storyline to almost unfixable. Almost except for something like i described.
And when i mean the main story , I mean make a new story line with new characters and the only connection to the old shit would be that Grogu was once trained by Luke Skywalker.
Edit: and it seems they are actually trying to doing something like this based on recent leaked rumors.
This isn't /tv/. No one cares about muh eternal war against the evil Kathleen kennedy, the sequels and disney.
For the time being, the sequel trilogy exists. The Mandalorian was written as part of the greater Disney timeline which includes the sequel trilogy. There is no indication whatsoever that it is being decanonized. To that end, the writing of the show needs to be judged on its merits within the greater setting. When you take into consideration the other aspects of the setting (such as the fact that Luke's Jedi are purged within 20 years of this story taking place), it narratively does not make sense for Luke to be the one picking up Yeed as some kind of uplifting ending.
That is my aasertion. The idea that the sequels should be deleted from existence and a new timeline created with the show as its start, or whatever the ****, is a completely separate discussion. And frankly the pointless one. It's not happening, no matter how many /pol/-tier delusions certain parts of the fandom cling on to. But people who don't understand business failed to realize is that the success of the Mandalorian actually bolsters KK's stock within the company, it doesn't hinder it. And furthermore there's no point in erasing the sequel trilogy because they can't be replaced. Harrison Ford hates the franchise and was only just barely convinced to come back last time, and Carrie Fisher is dead. Mark Hamill's getting older and fatter by the day. Unless people want a movie where all the main characters are CGI abominations the sequel trilogy as shit as it is was our last shot at getting a new trilogy with the main trio involved. So there is no point in erasing it. At absolute best Disney is just going to go around it and not reference it or work off of it when writing their other projects.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
But people who don't understand business failed to realize is that the success of the Mandalorian actually bolsters KK's stock within the company, it doesn't hinder it.
People that understand business know that a large chunk of revenue comes from merchandising. And most of the new merch from the sequel trilogy would sit in the store shelves un-bought even when it was on clearance. Because no one wanted to buy any of it.
KK stock isnt rising. She is still in charge because they cant outright fire her. She will certainly be less influential than she was in future projects. While others gain more pull.
We will see if what im saying pans out.
We are talking about the guy who never let Ahsoka die throughout the first or second Jedi purge, OT and ST.
So Yeah theres no way he or Favreau are going to let a child that everyone likes be killed.
As for what he can learn with the mental capacity for a 1 year old, well he can already do some powerful stuff like Force healing. So he has learned things in that 50 years regardless of his mental capacity.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo shit. Star Wars is basically a comic book, you can asspull absolutely anything to shape the story in the way that you want. If the writers ever decide to revisit the Yeed story they will almost certainly shit out some happenstance about him not being at the Temple when it's purged, for reasons X Y and Z.
We are talking about the guy who never let Ahsoka die throughout the first or second Jedi purge, OT and ST.So Yeah theres no way he or Favreau are going to let a child that everyone likes be killed.
But that doesn't address my point, which is that yeed getting picked up by Luke is a empty gesture due to the specter of the ST hovering just a couple decades in the future.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
But that doesn't address my point, which is that yeed getting picked up by Luke is a empty gesture due to the specter of the ST hovering just a couple decades in the future.
Couple of decades is a long time.
If he was handed to Luke just a couple of years before his nephews Jedi purge then that would be different.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
But that doesn't address my point, which is that yeed getting picked up by Luke is a empty gesture due to the specter of the ST hovering just a couple decades in the future.
Here is some of the rumored leaked info regarding the direction Filoni and Favreau want to take the Luke/Grogu arc going forward.
Could all be bullshit but there could be some truth to some of this. Some is stupid but ill take it if it shits on the sequels or at least fixes certain things.
"This is the roadmap:
In The Mandalorian, Luke Skywalker takes on Grogu (baby Yoda) as his padawan. However, Grogu’s blood has already been extracted by forces of the dark side, which will then use it to bring about the sequences leading up to the sequel trilogy. Grogu does not die when Kylo Ren attacks and kills Luke Skywalker’s jedis in training. Luke will be retconned to have expected Ben Solo to do so, and will have made the painful decision to send Grogu into hiding before it occurs. Part of that intersects with The Mandalorian story, so I’m not going into detail here about it, as I think that would spoil the whole series if they stay with the plan and I type it out for everyone to read. In the sequel trilogy, it will be retconned so that Luke’s actions of being in hiding, pretending to hate the jedi, etc, are all an act to protect Grogu from being found by the dark side, including protecting him from Rey. But Grogu is placed in danger by Rey because she takes the sacred Jedi texts, not knowing that Grogu is part of an ancient prophecy in a book called the Rammahgon. It will be revealed that Luke couldn’t bring himself to burn the books that he believed would place Grogu in danger even though he knew it must be done, so Yoda in force ghost form had to do it for him. In the end, it turns out that when Anakin Skywalker brought balance to the force by killing The Emperor, that somehow will tie into Grogu being the child that the force rests upon to bring peace throughout the galaxy. Grogu will be a new type of jedi that unites dark and light with Anakin and Luke BOTH training him somehow.
I don’t believe they have everything fleshed out completely. But I am told that a Luke Skywalker series using CGI / Deepfake AI is on the way in the not too far future. And when it comes time to do a trilogy on Grogu (that’s the plan down the road), Luke Skywalker will be retconned to be a true hero, Anakin will be retconned to actually have brought balance to the force, etc. At least, that’s the roadmap for now, if Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau get their way. We’ll see if Kathleen lets it happen, if Lucasfilm changes leadership, etc. But that’s the plan as of right now, and it can absolutely change. Just be prepared for fireworks behind the scenes (whether they become public is hard to say). Because somebody gets to be the Kevin Feige of Star Wars who oversees this whole Grogu saga over many movies, series, etc. Time to jockey for position, right?
For now though, just be prepared to see more Luke Skywalker. Because it’s Luke and Grogu next Christmas for toy manufacturers, and that’s where Star Wars is headed."
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So if any of this pans out, it wont be "an empty gesture".
And this was supposedly "leaked" after I had suggested this type of "fixing" here a few months ago.
And again the point isnt to delete or have the sequels be non canon.
Its to fix whatever they can and move forward with new main storylines and leave all that shit that came with the sequels behind. I wouldn't be surprised if they went out of their way to mention as little as possible about the sequels in any new movies that come out.
^ And they might as well just skip over the Sequel era from now on without outright de-canonising them.
Its not just backlash from fans (which the prequels also got to be fair), its also the actors themselves. They are not interested in ever returning to the franchise. And nobody at Lucasfilm is interested in carrying on their story or exploring that time period further. And theres hardly a demand for that from fans and audiences either.