Mass Shootings in America Thread

Originally posted by cdtm
But you see, we weren't trying to oppress Vietnamese citizens. (No matter what the hippies say.)

Originally posted by Surtur
Nah, don't say dumb shit. Dipshit whined about headlines. We either get proper headlines for all this shit, or none.

I repeat: it will be all or nothing.

Please find me an example of an Islamic terror attack that wasn't reported as one once motivations were established.

If you look at the picture of the shooter he genuinely looks like he's sub 85 IQ.

Originally posted by Firefly218

Well don't let the gook off the hook

#AsianMurderersMatter

Is arguing over what to call the tragedy really that important? Because it looks more like people trying to score political points on the backs of the dead.

This thread is perhaps the most cancerous in KMC history. While I value brevity, I do want to address some contrary evidence, so please bear with me.

According to the CRS(Congressional Research Service), Public Mass Shootings make up less than 1% of all firearm homicides each year. For this reason, it is improper to build gun policy around mass shootings. But even if this is the precedent, the data does not support the left's position. Contrary to what Vox might have you believe, the US ranks 11th in death rate due to mass shootings per capita.

Now I am going to cite a graph which is mired in contention and hopefully justify its usage.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-afDzhf4C_1o/WoZul8buGXI/AAAAAAAAEkA/3lqQo3EMYQU5QW6Pjopbd97W7Kq13vp9gCL0BGAYYCw/h412/2018-02-15.png

So, there are two studies which have different results then this graph. So, why is this analysis more accurate than the other two. The first contrary analysis was conducted by Everytown for Gun Safety. The first fault is that it includes mass shootings in private homes. The problem with including private homes is that the reasoning behind a public and private mass shooting is notably different.(Drug crimes, robbery, kidnapping, murder). So, the research which is inside of this graph looks as at mass public shootings. Here is the FBI's definition of a mass public shooting:

The FBI definition of mass public shootings excludes “shootings that resulted from gang or drug violence” or that were part of some other crime. The FBI also defines “public” places as “includ[ing] commercial areas (divided into malls, businesses open to pedestrian traffic, and businesses closed to pedestrian traffic), educational environments (divided into schools [pre-kindergarten through 12th grade] and IHEs), open spaces, government properties (divided into military and other government properties), houses of worship, and health care facilities.

They also mislabel over 18 mass shootings. Those mislabels can be found here: https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/m...mass-shootings/

The second contrary study is from Louis Klarevas. The issue with Klarevas's study is that he does not use the FBI definition of mass shootings. To quote Klarevas,

In all fairness to Lott, when he conducted his study, he employed a definition of mass shootings that was different from the ones used by Duwe’s team and myself. . . . he disqualified all shooting incidents that were part of a broader crime: ‘gang activity; drug dealing; a holdup or robbery; drive-by shootings that explicitly or implicitly involved gang activity; organized crime, or professional hits; and serial killings, or killings that took place over the span of more than one day.

Here is the FBI definition of a mass shooting.

The FBI definition of mass public shootings excludes “shootings that resulted from gang or drug violence” or that were part of some other crime.33 The FBI also defines “public” places as “includ[ing] commercial areas (divided into malls, businesses open to pedestrian traffic, and businesses closed to pedestrian traffic), educational environments (divided into schools [pre-kindergarten through twelfth grade] and IHEs), open spaces, government properties (divided into military and other government properties), houses of worship, and healthcare facilities.

I could dive into the data regarding actual crime, but this should suffice.

Thoughts?

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Here's a Thomas Jefferson quote regarding the evolving constitutional interpretation that people seem to conveniently ignore when defending the 2nd amendment

Originally posted by Firefly218
Here's a Thomas Jefferson quote regarding the evolving constitutional interpretation that people seem to conveniently ignore when defending the 2nd amendment

plz counter

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Originally posted by Firefly218
Here's a Thomas Jefferson quote regarding the evolving constitutional interpretation that people seem to conveniently ignore when defending the 2nd amendment

How do you think that quote applies to the Second Amendment?

The three gun debate bills to pay attention to in Congress.

A quick summary:

SHARE Act: Loosening restrictions on purchasing silencers. Allowing gun owners to carry registered firearms across state lines. Carrying firearms in national parks. No longer classifying shotguns, shotgun shells and large caliber rifles as “destructive devices," which would remove certain registration and taxation requirements, as well as prohibitions in some states

[b]The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act:[b] Concealed carry across state lines.

Basically, "lets make massacres even easier!" laws.

And one from the Dems.

[b]‘Gun show loophole’ legislation:[b] Requiring background checks on all gun sales, including those at gun shows and over the Internet.

Its pretty easy to see which party gets the million dollar bribes from the NRA, huh?

Can't edit so RIP those b's I guess.

Don't see how those would "make massacres even easier".

Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
This thread is perhaps the most cancerous in KMC history. While I value brevity, I do want to address some contrary evidence, so please bear with me.

According to the CRS(Congressional Research Service), Public Mass Shootings make up less than 1% of all firearm homicides each year. For this reason, it is improper to build gun policy around mass shootings. But even if this is the precedent, the data does not support the left's position. Contrary to what Vox might have you believe, the US ranks 11th in death rate due to mass shootings per capita.

Now I am going to cite a graph which is mired in contention and hopefully justify its usage.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-afDzhf4C_1o/WoZul8buGXI/AAAAAAAAEkA/3lqQo3EMYQU5QW6Pjopbd97W7Kq13vp9gCL0BGAYYCw/h412/2018-02-15.png

So, there are two studies which have different results then this graph. So, why is this analysis more accurate than the other two. The first contrary analysis was conducted by Everytown for Gun Safety. The first fault is that it includes mass shootings in private homes. The problem with including private homes is that the reasoning behind a public and private mass shooting is notably different.(Drug crimes, robbery, kidnapping, murder). So, the research which is inside of this graph looks as at mass public shootings. Here is the FBI's definition of a mass public shooting:

They also mislabel over 18 mass shootings. Those mislabels can be found here: https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/m...mass-shootings/

The second contrary study is from Louis Klarevas. The issue with Klarevas's study is that he does not use the FBI definition of mass shootings. To quote Klarevas,

Here is the FBI definition of a mass shooting.

I could dive into the data regarding actual crime, but this should suffice.

Using deaths per capita as a basis also misleads as Norway is number 1 despite have only 1 incident, Anders Breivik. Switzerland is above the US but has only ever had 3 mass shootings. Serbia 2, Macedonia 2 including a shootout between police and armed militants

Total number of incidents per capita would be more appropriate as it would cater for prevalency rather than outcome of shootings.

So with that the gun violence archive defines a mass shooting as 4 or more people being shot not including the perpetrator.

Under that definition the US has had 1,624 mass shootings in 1,870 days with 1,875 killed and 6,848 injured.

Even if you use the more stringent definition which is attacks that kill 4 or more, target random people to rule out gang shootings and happen in public places then the US still averages 1 a month.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Don't see how those would "make massacres even easier".

Then get glasses, moron.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then get glasses, moron.

That escalated quickly....