I'm here to chew bubble gum and destroy leftist talking points about guns, and I'm all outta gum.
There have been lies like this is the 18th school shooting this year and misleading information like "Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns!" preached by this crowd. This article demolishes them.
But I have to just post the tweet I love the most. This is, of course, from CNN:
"In Florida, you don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun"
Lol. You can't make this stuff up.
A write for The Guardian spread lies, this is what he says:
"Speaking of facts and data, the CDC has been legally prohibited from studying gun violence since 1996"
Here is the reality of the situation:
"They are prohibited from using CDC funds to promote gun control. There is a 2012 CDC study commissioned by Obama that studies gun violence""
Lol. And before someone attempts a gotcha with this: yes, I'm aware of the controversy of the study and that those behind it concluded more study was needed. This does not in any way, shape, or form negate the fact the writer was 100% wrong.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm here to chew bubble gum and destroy leftist talking points about guns, and I'm all outta gum.There have been lies like this is the 18th school shooting this year and misleading information like "Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns!" preached by this crowd. This article demolishes them.
But I have to just post the tweet I love the most. This is, of course, from CNN:
[b]"In Florida, you don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun"
Lol. You can't make this stuff up.
A write for The Guardian spread lies, this is what he says:
"Speaking of facts and data, the CDC has been legally prohibited from studying gun violence since 1996"
Here is the reality of the situation:
"They are prohibited from using CDC funds to promote gun control. There is a 2012 CDC study commissioned by Obama that studies gun violence""
Lol. And before someone attempts a gotcha with this: yes, I'm aware of the controversy of the study and that those behind it concluded more study was needed. This does not in any way, shape, or form negate the fact the writer was 100% wrong. [/B]
Cutting out the middleman, in case people ignore Town Hall as partisan.
Originally posted by jaden101
Using deaths per capita as a basis also misleads as Norway is number 1 despite have only 1 incident, Anders Breivik. Switzerland is above the US but has only ever had 3 mass shootings. Serbia 2, Macedonia 2 including a shootout between police and armed militantsTotal number of incidents per capita would be more appropriate as it would cater for prevalency rather than outcome of shootings.
So with that the gun violence archive defines a mass shooting as 4 or more people being shot not including the perpetrator.
Under that definition the US has had 1,624 mass shootings in 1,870 days with 1,875 killed and 6,848 injured.
Even if you use the more stringent definition which is attacks that kill 4 or more, target random people to rule out gang shootings and happen in public places then the US still averages 1 a month.
Even under incidents per capita, the US is far from number one.
[b]The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act:[b] Concealed carry across state lines.Basically, "lets make massacres even easier!" laws.
And one from the Dems.
[b]‘Gun show loophole’ legislation:[b] Requiring background checks on all gun sales, including those at gun shows and over the Internet.
Its pretty easy to see which party gets the million dollar bribes from the NRA, huh?
I am truly perplexed as to why you do not support these actions. On the topic of Concealed Carry Laws, the scientific consensus is overwhelmingly in their favor. Maryland Law did a study on all of the published, peer review work regarding 'right to carry laws' and crimes. Here is their findings,
There have been a total of 29 peer-reviewed studies by economists and criminologists, 18 supporting the hypothesis that shall-issue laws reduce crime, 10 not finding any significant effect on crime, including the NRC report, and [Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang]’s paper, using a different model and different data, finding that right-to-carry laws temporarily increase one type of violent crime, aggravated assaults.
The one study that found a negative effect only look at 4 states and overstated policy negligence. As far as background checks go, they are wildly ineffective. o quote the criminologist John Lott,
Since 2000, all of our mass shooters obtained their weapons without using private transfers. Attacks such as the San Bernardino massacre in California and the Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon occurred in states that already have universal background checks. Indeed, mass public shootings have recently occurred in France, Belgium, Norway, Germany and other European countries where these background checks also exist.
And background checks have no effect on violent crime, as found in this recent 2017 study: https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/1043958/McCarthy_georgetown_0076M_13603.pdf?sequence=1
A 2012 metaanalysis that looked at studies from 1983 and 2005 found that,
Mandatory firearms waiting periods and background checks were shown to have no statistical effects on gun crimes
As of 2000, the Department of Justice found that only 2% of crimes are committed with guns bought at gun shows and most of those are purchased legally. There is also a huge number of false positives found in background checks which incomber gun ownership thereby increasing crime.
Originally posted by cdtm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/five-things-you-could-do-right-now-to-reduce-gun-violence-in-americaCutting out the middleman, in case people ignore Town Hall as partisan.
One of the linked articles in that link was a pretty good example of pro gun activists helping tackle gun deaths although it focused on preventing suicides rather than perpetrating violence on others.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/29/vermont-gun-lobby-sanders-clinton-suicides
That could be something expanded upon. Having gun clubs etc help identify people needing mental health treatment and destigmatising seeking help.
All the dumb idiots who fell for "this guy is a white supremacist" got fooled😂
Originally posted by cdtm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/five-things-you-could-do-right-now-to-reduce-gun-violence-in-americaCutting out the middleman, in case people ignore Town Hall as partisan.
It's just funny how much the Democrats twisted the narrative about the mentally ill people getting guns. They are little weasels.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0Right, but isn't it also true that the reason that some of those European countries rank above the US is because of a small handful of anomalous shootings rather than frequent shootings as part of an ongoing trend? Norway's ranking would make you think that mass shootings are quite frequent, but its ranking is literally only based on the Breivik massacre. Clearly, it doesn't have any real ongoing problem with guns, even if it comes off that way in the statistics. It seems that it is a similar story when it comes to other countries in Europe, where a small handful of exceptional events are buoying their figures.
Even under incidents per capita, the US is far from number one.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
Yes, sir.
Interesting reading on some of them. The Slovakia one, for example, is the single mass shooting incident in the country's history.
Statistically it reads that there are more mass shootings per capita and more deaths in mass shootings per capita and thus you're more likely to die in a mass shooting in Slovakia than you are in the US.
I think it'd be fair to state that isn't really the case.
Originally posted by lazybones
Right, but isn't it also true that the reason that some of those European countries rank above the US is because of a small handful of anomalous shootings rather than frequent shootings as part of an ongoing trend? Norway's ranking would make you think that mass shootings are quite frequent, but its ranking is literally only based on the Breivik massacre. Clearly, it doesn't have any real ongoing problem with guns, even if it comes off that way in the statistics. It seems that it is a similar story when it comes to other countries in Europe, where a small handful of exceptional events are buoying their figures.
I also posted a graph which looked at mass shootings frequency, but I question the validity of the source.
1. They use a far broader definition of attack where they included cases where no one was killed.
2. They are missing numerous cases in foreign countries even using the strict definition of 4 or more killed. For example for France, they claim that from 2000 to 2014 there is only one such shooting and eight people were killed in that case. They missed at least 16 deaths in just cases where four or more people have been killed.
Tours, France, Oct. 29, 2001: Four people were killed and ten wounded when a French railway worker started shooting at a busy intersection
Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: 8 deaths, 19 injured Gunman opened fire at a town council meeting
Toulouse, France, March 19, 2012: Four shot dead at Jewish school in France
In addition, there were other attacks which met their criteria which were unincluded.
Two French soldiers killed and one critically injured, other minor injuries in drive-by street shooting
Now, I could go through every country on this list because they miss some for each of them. But, I think you get the picture.
Many news sites just spewed propaganda about 18 school shooting this year.
So, wow. In the list of 18 school shootings one of those listed is a military vet who committed suicide in an area that used to be a school. Several wee accidental discharges, one of which was at a specific demonstration of weapons and he mistook a live weapon for a training weapon. You can say that was a bad idea, but no it's not a school shooting.
Unbelievable.
Originally posted by Surtur
Many news sites just spewed propaganda about 18 school shooting this year.So, wow. In the list of 18 school shootings one of those listed is a military vet who committed suicide in an area that used to be a school. Several wee accidental discharges, one of which was at a specific demonstration of weapons and he mistook a live weapon for a training weapon. You can say that was a bad idea, but no it's not a school shooting.
Unbelievable.
So I guess there's really nothing to see here? Cool. Thanks again, Surt, couldn't have done it without another White youtuber ranter 👆
Originally posted by Robtard
So I guess there's really nothing to see here? Cool. Thanks again, Surt, couldn't have done it without another White youtuber ranter 👆
Lol, who said there was nothing to see? I'm simply pointing out the bullshit the media has been spewing, that I have not seen corrected by anyone who put it out on the airwaves.
This is what leftists constantly do. Take a problem and take it to over 9000. Then when you correct them they act like you are saying you don't care at all about the issue. But you guys will whine about facts when it comes to the size of a friggin audience, but this? Meh, no big deal right?