Originally posted by jaden101
So I give the stats that show unarmed civilians have stopped more shootings than armed ones and I give examples of where armed guards in schools didn't stop mass shootings yet you still think that maybe more armed civilians might stop them happening.Seems something that won't change is your mind. It's almost like it's made up by partisan rhetoric as opposed to facts.
So wait, why on Earth do your stats prove that more security in schools will not help? That's silly as hell.
I asked you how many schools even have armed security. Your answer is...?
Originally posted by Surtur
So wait, why on Earth do your stats prove that more security in schools will not help? That's silly as hell.I asked you how many schools even have armed security. Your answer is...?
Originally posted by Firefly218
https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.
Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.
On February 2nd, 2013, Kyle and a friend took a 25 year old Marine veteran to a shooting range, in the hope of helping him with his PTSD. On the way Kyle realized that the guy was dangerous, and texted his friend as such; the friend replied affirmatively
If this was a movie the 25 year old would have freaked out and drawn a weapon, and Kyle would have shot him or shot the gun out of his hand or held him at gunpoint. But it wasn't a movie.
What actually happened was a Navy Seal military sniper and his friend were both shot to death with Kyle's own guns. Both of them were armed, and neither had time to even unholster their weapons.
Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.
I can spend the rest of my life at a gun range and not have the facility with firearms that Chris Kyle did. So how the **** is a gun going to help me, or a terrified social studies teacher, because it doesn't look like it did shit for him.
No amount of training and no gun on your belt is going to let you dodge a bullet or keep it from ripping the life out of you. Every student and teacher at that school could have been trained military personnel with access to weapons and that many people could have still died
We know that because the 2009 Fort Hood shooting - which occurred on a MILITARY BASE - killed 13.
Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they're going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.
They're going to be Action Movie Chris Kyle, not Actual Real Life Murdered Chris Kyle. And it's going to keep on happening. It's going to get worse and worse.
A good point
Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, I'll make it simple. Quote the person who blamed this shooting on Trump; thereby proving your point? Go!
Lol actually I'll make it simple. Go fetch the post where I say you blamed this on Trump.
Do you understand nuance? I asked you flat out why you posted it, and my response was based on if you were indeed trying to do that.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol so you just got proved wrong. The post of mine you quoted literally shows me saying maybe it might have stopped this. You translated that into "it will stop everything!", like a retard.
Nah, that's the strawman you invented.
Reality: You brought up the premise of more armed guards being a solution, Jaden posted the stats of armed vs unarmed incidents that were stopped; you couldn't handle it and you started doing flips.
Originally posted by Surtur
No, but let's not beat around the bush here. You're posting that for what reason? Just to post it? Or is it to suggest Trump is somehow responsible?Because there will be no muslims, blacks, or clintons.
It'll be something something the piece of shit who tried to shoot Scalise and others. That is, if you want to start trying to lay blame at the feet of anyone but the killer.
Okay, so right here. Reading is your friends guys. I ask you why, I never say flat out you said this.
Do you want to keep going?
Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, that's the strawman you invented.Reality: You brought up the premise of more armed guards being a solution, Jaden posted the stats of armed vs unarmed incidents that were stopped; you couldn't handle it and you started doing flips.
Wrong again.
Originally posted by Surtur
And nobody said it would prevent everything, so..you go find those things, I guess. It won't change much, but go for it.
Your response:
Originally posted by Robtard
Um, your premise was that it would, why else would you bring it up? You are retarded.
I say I never said it would prevent everything, you say my premise is it would. Yet the post you quoted shows me saying maybe this might have helped. There is no "this will always be effective". And you literally just said that.
Originally posted by Robtard
Once again, you imagined that Trump was being blamed. It's all in that unfortunate head of yours.
Once again: I asked why you posted, and knowing how leftists are, told you what would happen if you were implying this was on Trump.
You could have responded with "it's not", but you whined.
Originally posted by Surtur
Wrong again.Your response:
I say I never said it would prevent everything, you say my premise is it would. Yet the post you quoted shows me saying maybe this might have helped.
Yes, you mentioned more armed guards as a solution for no reason and it has nothing to do with nothing.
In reality: You're a clown and you're doing flips now cos Jaden's stats/facts didn't fit your narrative and you didn't like it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, you mentioned more armed guards as a solution for no reason and it has nothing to do with nothing.In reality: You're a clown and you're doing flips now cos Jaden's stats/facts didn't fit your narrative and you didn't like it.
But you clearly see that you said my premise was this would stop everything. You admit you were mistaken in that, correct? The posts prove it. Explain how it's a strongman, given what your posts literally say.
In reality: you're just a troll. Jadens facts changed nothing. We need more armed people, show me some stats for after that happens and we'll talk.