Originally posted by Beniboybling
Guy is right, everyone needs to shutup until this all blows over, then the govt. can get back to being apathetic about the problem.Especially the parents of the victims who are calling for action. Thoughts and prayers should be more than enough.
Originally posted by BackFire
He said the desire for any kind of gun control is evil, which is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.He also engages in the same tired pretense that the only options are no added gun control or the banning of all guns. There is a huge middle ground that he and others like to pretend doesn't exist.
Crowder's the type of moron Trumper-types love, so I'm sure you're not surprised by his rhetoric.
Originally posted by BackFire
He said the desire for any kind of gun control is evil, which is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.He also engages in the same tired pretense that the only options are no added gun control or the banning of all guns. There is a huge middle ground that he and others like to pretend doesn't exist.
Can you tell me the part he says the thing about a desire for any kind of gun control being evil?
I did see a part where he says wanting to disarm law abiding citizens is evil. But that isn't what you said he said.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0Okay, but that doesn't address my point that the small handful of shootings that European countries experience can be far more easily pinned down to anomalies rather than an ongoing trend of mass shootings in those countries, which would explain why gun reform is a tiny issue in Europe but a very prominent one in the US. Mass shootings that are seen on the regular in the US are utterly unheard of in countries like the UK and Australia. Now, you can argue about the potential trade-offs that those countries have had to endure because of their gun regulations (the UK has seen an increase in violent crime, for instance), but loosening gun regulations couldn't be further from the minds of most people in those countries. There can be mass shootings in European countries, but they're far from an epidemic.Now, I could go through every country on this list because they miss some for each of them. But, I think you get the picture. [/B]
Originally posted by Surtur
Can you tell me the part he says the thing about a desire for any kind of gun control being evil?I did see a part where he says wanting to disarm law abiding citizens is evil. But that isn't what you said he said.
About 2:30 or something. But I guess you're right he didn't specifically say that all desire for gun control is evil, he simply misconstrued the argument into the all or nothing thing that I mentioned to make it easier to argue against. Or strawman, if you will.
It's why I can't take people like him seriously. He pretends he's interested in having some honest conversation or is some bastion of integrity, then proceeds to be dishonest.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I see a lot of personal attacks and not enough rebuttals of points being made. is that because people can't refute the points so have to resort to ad hominem attacks?
There was a rebuttal, did you not see it? Let me recap, it's not a all-or-nothing issue, as noted, there's more than two options when it comes to gun laws.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I see a lot of personal attacks and not enough rebuttals of points being made. is that because people can't refute the points so have to resort to ad hominem attacks?
Indeed, merely pointing out the media was lying about there being 18 school shootings this year was twisted into "well your attitude is we shouldn't care at all".
It's weird.
Originally posted by BackFire
About 2:30 or something. But I guess you're right he didn't specifically say that all desire for gun control is evil, he simply misconstrued the argument into the all or nothing thing that I mentioned to make it easier to argue against. Or strawman, if you will.It's why I can't take people like him seriously. He pretends he's interested in having some honest conversation or is some bastion of integrity, then proceeds to be dishonest.
Eh, I disagree. The way some liberals are acting, I do think they want to take away guns. Most would never admit it out loud, but it's where this is all heading.
Originally posted by Robtard
There was a rebuttal, did you not see it? Let me recap, it's not a all-or-nothing issue, as noted, there's more than two options when it comes to gun laws.
That would only be a rebuttal of one point, the vid made at least half a dozen others. does that mean you agree with all his other points?
Originally posted by Surtur
Eh, I disagree. The way some liberals are acting, I do think they want to take away guns. Most would never admit it out loud, but it's where this is all heading.
There is no evidence it's where this is all heading. I know a lot of extremely liberal left wing people, none are in favor of a flat out ban on all guns. And me personally I don't even think a ban on AR-15's is necessary. There are many things that could be attempted that would count as gun control but that wouldn't affect law abiding gun owners much at all. But you wouldn't know that if you listen to Chowder over there, yelling at his nerd-boy playing Simon says in the control room.
What they're doing is arguing against a made up extreme while ignoring the more centrist positions most people actually would argue.
Your feelings don't matter, Surt There isn't some massive movement to ban all guns outright, just as there really isn't some movement to strip away all existing gun laws and let anyone with the means to buy whatever. Not even the NRA is going that far.
Sure you can find me someone on Twitter that says "ban all guys" and I can find you someone who wants bunker-buster, but let's not let the fringe people be the voice of either.
Originally posted by Silent Master
That would only be a rebuttal of one point, the vid made at least half a dozen others. does that mean you agree with all his other points?
Sorry, I don't watch Crowder vids, the guy is generally a smug moron trying to swallow his own anus.
Didn't know you were a Crowder-boy though. I laughed.