Mass Shootings in America Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, that's simple: because it's very ineffective at reducing any crime at all, costly to people, and very difficult to enforce. It's a waste of time, resources, and meddles in yet another facet of property rights.

You're meddling in people's liberty through constricting their actions, meddling with their property rights both in restricting what they can do with their own property and through the taxpayer money needed to enforce this, and I don't think what's being suggested has a proven enough security for people's lives (denting the gun death statistic at 4.5% at the unrealistic most assuming it was perfectly enforced, and in all likelihood substantially less than that) to actually justify this.

because it's very ineffective at reducing any crime at all,

costly to people,

and very difficult to enforce.

it'll dissuade people from giving guns to their kids if they're told it's illegal.

I'm aware many people will just ignore the law, but there will also be people who respect the law and will follow it.

and meddles in yet another facet of property rights

Originally posted by Silent Master
Right, now of that 4.5% how many were done with bump stocks or inherited guns that were given to people that wouldn't pass a background check?

Because his solutions were [b]"ban bump stocks, forbid guns being passed from family member to family member without a background check." [/B]

And hell, I posted a video earlier that was on youtube that showed you how to do a homemade bumpstock lol.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It reducing crime at all would render it effective.

Addressed here:

There's no principle based defense for alowing certain people to bypass laws others have to undergo thanks to nepotism.

So why pass a law that you think might be ineffective, to punish people? In your previous threads you have spoken about systemic issues................this sort of law just perpetuates that problem.

Originally posted by Emperordmb

You're meddling in people's liberty through constricting their actions, meddling with their property rights both in restricting what they can do with their own property and through the taxpayer money needed to enforce this

There's no principle based defense for alowing certain people to bypass laws others have to undergo thanks to nepotism.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So why pass a law that you think might be ineffective

Originally posted by Surtur
And hell, I posted a video earlier that was on youtube that showed you how to do a homemade bumpstock lol.

What's more, you don't even need a bump stock in order to rapid fire a rifle. bump-firing is a technique that's been around for a long time. it just takes some practice.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
If it reduces gun deaths, it's effective.

What if it's a low amount? What if it prevents only 2 gun related deaths? Is it worth it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What's more, you don't even need a bump stock in order to rapid fire a rifle. bump-firing is a technique that's been around for a long time. it just takes some practice.

Just because some people can find a way to bypass a law doesn't mean they're all willing to take the extra effort it takes to bypass said law.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
If it reduces gun deaths, it's effective.

You do realize that this position takes away alot of your strengths in the systemic thread? If its effective without measurement or defined terms, gotcha.

Originally posted by Surtur
What if it's a low amount? What if it prevents only 2 gun related deaths? Is it worth it?

Originally posted by snowdragon
You do realize that this position takes away alot of your strengths in the systemic thread? If its effective without measurement or defined terms, gotcha.

Voter ID laws on the other hand do have a definite downside.

Originally posted by Surtur
What if it's a low amount? What if it prevents only 2 gun related deaths? Is it worth it?

You want to tell the family of those two dead people that they just weren't worth it?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It's effective because there's no downside.

Voter ID laws on the other hand do have a definite downside.

Thats false.

Unless you can prove mass shootings are from weapons passed down between family members, I don't mean stolen or taken but given..how many gun deaths caused by families given weapons.

Originally posted by Robtard
You want to tell the family of those two dead people that they just weren't worth it?

Not at all, I want to apply this to other things. Let me see if you can guess what. We have something where most people are law abiding citizens with, but a select few are bad. Now regulations that would save even just 1-2 lives are worthy according to you.

What else could we apply that line of thought to, do you think?

Originally posted by Robtard
You want to tell the family of those two dead people that they just weren't worth it?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
We do not enact policy hoping it will absolutely end the malpractice the policy is aimed at preventing. We enact policy because it makes said malpractice harder and less likely to happen.

Just because some people can find a way to bypass a law doesn't mean they're all willing to take the extra effort it takes to bypass said law.

How is bump firing "malpractice"?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Two lives against the liberty and property of the citizens of an entire nation isn't worth it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Not at all, I want to apply this to other things. Let me see if you can guess what. We have something where most people are law abiding citizens with, but a select few are bad. Now regulations that would save even just 1-2 lives are worthy according to you.

What else could we apply that line of thought to, do you think?

So saving some lives isn't that important. Gotcha and cool, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. Just please remember this the next time you go on another "but I care about lives" spiel. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Two lives against the liberty and property of the citizens of an entire nation isn't worth it.

Ask yourself, WWJD here?