Superman vs World War Hulk and Thanos

Originally posted by krisblaze
Booster Gold is in no position to determine how fast the Flash is.

Agree and disagree.

Why agree? Because if we take in-story explanations, Booster is a washed-up nobody who A: hasn't exactly measured the Flash and B: isn't exactly the best judge. If we take out-of-story explanations, the Flash has become significantly faster since then.

Why disagree? Because if we take in-story explanations, he is from the future. All of Flash's feats from then until the 30th Century, are all old history to him. The evacuation of the Korean city. Destroying the AM's armour. Time-travel, all of it - all old news.

Out of story? The writer exists, Booster does not. He thinks Doomsday should be faster than the Flash, then faster than the Flash he will be.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agree and disagree.

Why agree? Because if we take in-story explanations, Booster is a washed-up nobody who A: hasn't exactly measured the Flash and B: isn't exactly the best judge. If we take out-of-story explanations, the Flash has become significantly faster since then.

Why disagree? Because if we take in-story explanations, he is from the future. All of Flash's feats from then until the 30th Century, are all old history to him. The evacuation of the Korean city. Destroying the AM's armour. Time-travel, all of it - all old news.

Out of story? The writer exists, Booster does not. He thinks Doomsday should be faster than the Flash, then faster than the Flash he will be.

Show Booster Gold fighting the Flash please. 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Booster Gold does not exist in real life (obv). The writer does, though.

So, faster than Flash. From a guy who, from HIS POV (if we want to take things like that into account) is from the future, and knows full well what the Flash can or cannot do.

Fair enough.

The Cosmic Treadmill is there to give you precision - like a homing device:

It's not there to speed you up to break the time barrier. It doesn't make you faster. It gives you the ability to travel with precision.

I get what you're trying to say. Surfer can time travel, Superman can time travel, therefore they have the same level of speed, Hulk and Thanos have reacted to Surfer, so they can react to Superman, just like Doomsday was able to react to Superman.

Remember how Doomsday was 'faster than the Flash'?

https://s5.postimg.org/l9aoajp07/image.jpg

Wally doesn't even need the treadmill, and can casually mid-sentence time-hop. And Doomsday is faster than that.

Moreover - and yes, I HAVE considered your position - imagine if Surfer was always at his 'time-travel' level speed (i.e. his highest showings). Would Thanos and Hulk still be able to react?

I AM cherry-picking a bit, but then: [/B]

Is Lobo faster than the Flash as well? When do you draw the line
and consider some statements to be hyperbole? How does Booster
know if DD was actually faster than the Flash? I in all honesty would
not even take the Flash's word for it because they never raced, and
I've never seen DD do the things that the Flash has done. If you
made a thread on the topic who do you believe would get the vast
majority of votes? DD or Flash? I'm glad that you were able to see
where i was going with the Surfer comparisons, because Thanos has
hit more than the Surfer, he easily reacts to the Fallen Ones, approach
while the Hulk tagged the Sentry's bull-rush right on the button. Can
they react? Well according to on panel evidence they can. Unless we
want to go into denial, and pretend as if the Sentry is slow?

At this point it becomes a circular argument. T&H have feats to prove that they can react. Grundy, Bi-Beast and the others have yet to show
this on panel.

As to how Booster 'knows' he's faster than Flash, see my post to Kris.

All ancient history to him. I have never fought George Foreman before, but if I watch Bruce Lee fighting, I will exclaim wow, Bruce is faster than Foreman!

That's if we assume Booster exists, lol. The writer knows who exists.

As for circular arguments, were Fallen One and Sentry et Al at the same speed as Surfer when he time travelled?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As to how Booster 'knows' he's faster than Flash, see my post to Kris.

All ancient history to him. I have never fought George Foreman before, but if I watch Bruce Lee fighting, I will exclaim wow, Bruce is faster than Foreman!

That's if we assume Booster exists, lol. The writer knows who exists.

As for circular arguments, were Fallen One and Sentry et Al at the same speed as Surfer when he time travelled?

He wouldn't have to be, because Doomsday wasn't moving that fast
when Superman was getting into it with him, nor would it take someone
pushing it so hard that they needed to break the time barrier in order
to slam a car door on Booster's head.

It's hyperbole when you consider the source, and when you take into
account that if he was faster than the Flash, he should have wiped his
butt with the JL faster than the Flash was able to evacuate thousands
of people from a town about to explode. I wouldn't place much stock
in Booster's statement, other than what he was saying is that "Holy shit
this guy is whipping my ass faster than I thought possible".

Doomsday barely throws 3 punches in one panel.

That's not fast.

Booster Gold argument is about how fast Doomsday has been to get into close-combat quarters because he runs fast and how fast he runs is completely irrelevant. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Very contradictory while cherry picking.

🙂

Basically. I'm not commenting on it again but what you said is quite obvious.

Because it's what this thread is designed to do. Why does nobody else get it?

OP specifically said Superman was limited to his cherry picked high showings, which by definition exlcudes all contradictory low showings.

Why can't you guys understand this????

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it's what this thread is designed to do. Why does nobody else get it?

OP specifically said Superman was limited to his cherry picked high showings, which by definition exlcudes all contradictory low showings.

Why can't you guys understand this????

What's the difference with the way Superman is usually debated in that forum ?

I can't see. 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Out of story? The writer exists, Booster does not. He thinks Doomsday should be faster than the Flash, then faster than the Flash he will be.

We don't need to substitute Booster's opinions for the writer's just because Booster is fictional. Fictional characters make hyperbolic statements all the time.

Originally posted by Smurph
"The writer exists, Booster does not. The writer thinks Booster should say Doomsday is faster than Flash, so Booster will say that Doomsday is faster than Flash."

We don't need to substitute Booster's opinions for the writer's just because Booster is fictional. Fictional characters make hyperbolic statements all the time.

And Doomsday hit one time per panel like the slow brick he is...

True dat.

Does DoS Doomsday have any feats? Apart from..... killing Superman, that is......

OP: Please cherry pick and use Superman's highest feats only. Contradictory - i.e. low - showings would not be used.

Carver et al: Waaaaah! Cherry picking! Ignoring contradicting scans! Waaah!

Might as well whine about why Wolverine isn't here, or Animal Man. IOW, thread OP has stipulated what the conditions are, if you don't like it, then you know where to go.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OP: Please cherry pick and use Superman's highest feats only. Contradictory - i.e. low - showings would not be used.

Carver et al: Waaaaah! Cherry picking! Ignoring contradicting scans! Waaah!

Might as well whine about why Wolverine isn't here, or Animal Man. IOW, thread OP has stipulated what the conditions are, if you don't like it, then you know where to go.

No. It would be a low showing if Superman faced off against Vixen, tried the best that he could, and was put into a deep coma. But then to drive this further home, DOS Doomsday, and the latest Doomsday of Action Comics have shown similar results at pushing Superman to his limits. I can't see anywhere that i made mention of a low showing. You seem to want Superman to blow in to town and wrap this up like he was putting a prized turkey in the oven. You also attempted to make Thanos and the Hulk as weak as possible, but could not find one pertinent scan to do so.

The fact remains that they have reacted to similar speed, and should be able to do it here as well.

i happen to be a huge marvrl fan but i give supes mad props,as far as speed goes it`s inconsequential in a battle with thanos if he can`t slow down time with his powers I`m sure he can do it with tech.he`s at least a good of a fighter as supes and I.M.O stronger and at least if not more durabl easy.,thanos in a 2 minute fight stomps.as far as w.w. hulk good fight but i can see supes stalemating or beating him say 6-2-2.

Originally posted by Stoic
No. It would be a low showing if Superman faced off against Vixen, tried the best that he could, and was put into a deep coma. But then to drive this further home, DOS Doomsday, and the latest Doomsday of Action Comics have shown similar results at pushing Superman to his limits. I can't see anywhere that i made mention of a low showing. You seem to want Superman to blow in to town and wrap this up like he was putting a prized turkey in the oven. You also attempted to make Thanos and the Hulk as weak as possible, but could not find one pertinent scan to do so.

The fact remains that they have reacted to similar speed, and should be able to do it here as well.

Doomsday is not Hulk, or Thanos.

Using him as an analogue is....strange.

Yeah, OK. I didn't say anything about making Thanos and Hulk as weak as possible.

Pertinent scans?

Here is She-Hulk, mashing his face up:
https://s5.postimg.org/wjvqmd9p3/RCO008_1468895677.jpg

Here is Ben Grimm, doing the same:
https://s5.postimg.org/59afegm7r/RCO020_1468895677.jpg

Superman punches Death in the face:
https://i.imgur.com/qlps21z.jpg

Here is Storm, blowing him away:
https://s5.postimg.org/lkajarqzr/RCO015_1468895677.jpg

Here is Superman, blowing. Hard, lol. Freezing the brain of a planet (and...taking the quick and easy way out):
https://i.imgur.com/xXAqWpB.jpg

A whisper from BB threw WWH back, and made him bleed:
https://s5.postimg.org/ptf9czjzb/RCO008_1468895845.jpg

Superman....tbh, I don't know WTF this is, lol. But again, showcasing his intelligence:

https://i.imgur.com/46SMCFb.jpg

And again:

Btw, here he is chucking Bizarro (who is pretty speedy himself) into space:
https://i.imgur.com/3g6kjez.jpg

A guy who gets stronger the longer a battle goes on? How to deal with him?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/4209151-7610196334-17848.jpg

Now, I know FULL well what happened after those scans. WWH looked at them, and then beat the shit out of them, lol.

But my point is, they all did so, with one punch. Ben and She-Hulk are hardly top tiers in strength, or speed. BB has never...whatever it is that Superman did at 18THz, lol, or with DS. Multiple punches, at Superman level? At the levels the OP has set Superman at (the main important point)?

And in fact, as I have shown, he does INDEED blow into town and wrap things up like turkeys. As seen with Parasite. As seen with the Elite:
https://s5.postimg.org/cp9p0jzpz/RCO034_1469652385.jpg

He flies in at speed, separates teams, and fights them one on one if needed. Adn targets those who get stronger the more time goes on.

As Superman himself says:

Lel.

Hulk can go World Breaker if angry enough and Thanos is way out of Superman's league.

This is a mismatch of epic proportions.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Lel.

Hulk can go World Breaker if angry enough and Thanos is way out of Superman's league.

This is a mismatch of epic proportions.

Remember how he zapped Manchester Blacks brain, and prevented him from using his powers?

What stops him from doing the same to Hulk, and preventing him from getting angry?

If the answer is "Healing factor", so he simply focuses on the area long enough for Hulk to depower. (If anything, knowing he heals up gives him incentive to fry his brain long enough to bring his temper down, then casually KO him.)

Originally posted by carver9
Basically. I'm not commenting on it again but what you said is quite obvious.

Originally posted by cdtm
Remember how he zapped Manchester Blacks brain, and prevented him from using his powers?

Yeah.

What stops him from doing the same to Hulk, and preventing him from getting angry?

Because Hulk powers aren't the same than Manchester Black ?

Please prove that Hulk's powers can be taken out by burning a specific part of his brain in the first place. 😂

If the answer is "Healing factor", so he simply focuses on the area long enough for Hulk to depower.

1) Please prove that Hulk's powers can be taken out by burning a specific part of his brain in the first place.

2) Prove that Superman can go through Hulk's tissues with a laser as weak as the one he used against Manchester Black aka a laser surgery with the good energy output while being punched by Hulk in the face.

(If anything, knowing he heals up gives him incentive to fry his brain long enough to bring his temper down, then casually KO him.)

I'm glad that you are bringing the healing factor which will negate the effects of the HV near-instantly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Double standards are rather irritating.

And bias and lacks of knowledge and understanding of the characters. That's sad.

Thanos drops Superman with TP. ^^