"So does using speed"...
Hilarious 😂
Fighting at super-speed requires... the ability to fight at super-speed, which clearly doesn't exist when SLOW BRICKS THREAT YOU AS A PUNCHING BAG.
You can call me an hypocrite. 😂
It doesn't matter when it is so obvious that your arguments are weak and your lacks of comprehension undeniable. 😂
This is the last post I'm making in this thread:
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, you guys need to get back on topic before I close this. Superman, just like almost any speedster, has superspeed that he can use during combat. The comics say this, and the rules of this forum reflect that.So, again, please try to get back on topic.
If people don't buck up, I'm just going to put a link to this thread and ask that any active globals ban the people breaking the rules.
Originally posted by -Pr-
This is the last post I'm making in this thread:If people don't buck up, I'm just going to put a link to this thread and ask that any active globals ban the people breaking the rules.
People posted feats backing-up their point of view according to the rules so...
What's wrong ?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, you guys need to get back on topic before I close this. Superman, just like almost any speedster, has superspeed that he can use during combat. The comics say this, and the rules of this forum reflect that.So, again, please try to get back on topic.
Thanks.
Also, my post, which needs to be reposted, as I think Carver and others have the wrong end of the stick when they read my posts:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@carver:That's because I am always using the fighters 'in character'.
I'm NOT debating powerset.
Superman is not stupid. Agree, yes/no?
He jobs.
Just like Diana, a skilled tactician, will fight to win. You yourself have argued this, and I agree with you.
Midnighter also fights to win. Hell, he even cheats. At least one can argue Diana wouldn't use her lasso because she might see it as cheating.
Deathstroke? He doesn't relish fights. Bad for business. He gets the job done, as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
Another guy you forgot to mention was that cheating SOB, Constantine. Who also eschews looking flashy, and just goes for the quick win, even if it means cheating.
Superman? In this thread, he's smart as hell. Cunning. Against the Elite, he separated the team, picked them off one by one, and used his speed.
You're arguing the same way I've seen guys argue with martial artists. They argue that fights would be long drawn out affairs, like a ballet dance, because they've seen beautifully choreographed fights in movies which go on and on. Or they're thinking of boxing matches where both sides trade punches.
In reality, many fights are over if one side has a weapon that ends things (a gun, a lasso of truth, doors,or in this case, speed) quickly.
Superman has speed. He has intelligence. He has strength. He's not testing his opponent out, or talking them down. He knows WWH is a damn powerful opponent, and his knows Thanos is...well, it's fricking Thanos, lol.
So why would he come out at the start of the bell, slow as hell, getting tagged? He's not a pacifist like Surfer. He's not a warrior like Thor, who relishes battle, and would prefer fighting forever if he could.
This is what you never got about my arguments. They're all in character.
My last post on this, and then I am done.
This is the famous scene where Flash and Superman both have entire conversations, whilst eating pie etc, whilst the world is frozen around them:
This is what the author had to say:
Author interview, sure. Completely inadmissible as proof. But something to think about, a different viewpoint to what you may think (I used to debate against Phildo on this very topic).
Attoseconds, indeed 😈
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanks.Also, my post, which needs to be reposted, as I think Carver and others have the wrong end of the stick when they read my posts:
My last post on this, and then I am done.
This is the famous scene where Flash and Superman both have entire conversations, whilst eating pie etc, whilst the world is frozen around them:
This is what the author had to say:
Author interview, sure. Completely inadmissible as proof. But something to think about, a different viewpoint to what you may think (I used to debate against Phildo on this very topic).
Attoseconds, indeed 😈
So what happens when he runs into someone that can also see things at those speeds, and has super perception abilities? Thanos was fighting Thane who was casually able to catch up to a speeding star ship as if it were moving in molasses. You can deny it if you want, but even a weaker version of Thanos was able to easily defeat Surfer on any physical battlefield that they ran into each other on. Surfer can boast the same perception abilities that Superman can, or nearly enough that you could have a discussion on the differences that would last for weeks. He can also cross light years in a couple of seconds.
There's nothing wrong with arguing power set as long as you keep doing what your doing which is also bringing character into it. The Surfer in character and at his best would still be a play thing for Thanos. And that's just Thanos alone.
You can bring up Superman grabbing one of these guys at a time and flying them to some spot on the battlefield to hammer them into the ground, but when he tried to simply bfr Doomsday he wasn't able to fly him out of Earth's atmosphere before Doomsday broke free.
Now you can bring up the idea that Doomsday was able to react on time in order for that to happen, but then why would you in turn ignore the fact that both the Hulk, and Thanos have also reacted to similar flight speeds? The Hulk did it with Sentry, and Thanos did it with the Fallen One. On panel evidence suggests that they can react, and have.
Superman isn't the only one that can fly at extremely high speeds.
Like I said,and PLEASE PLEASE READ.
Writer interviews are not admissible. I am merely using it to explain the contradictory speeds,that's all,as the writer (being a writer, obv) was more eloquent than I.
At his best, Superman has better speed feats than Surfer.
So does Flash.
One of the weakest Doomsdays (this is to Stoic) was said to be as fast as (faster?) Than Flash. So comparing apples to oranges.
Doesn't even have to pummel. Just grab and throw. But that is NOT what I'm arguing, btw, before people get their panties in a twist.
Just that the Superman in this thread is cunning, fast,and strong as hell.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like I said,and PLEASE PLEASE READ.Writer interviews are not admissible. I am merely using it to explain the contradictory speeds,that's all,as the writer (being a writer, obv) was more eloquent than I.
At his best, Superman has better speed feats than Surfer.
So does Flash.
One of the weakest Doomsdays (this is to Stoic) was said to be as fast as (faster?) Than Flash. So comparing apples to oranges.
Doesn't even have to pummel. Just grab and throw. But that is NOT what I'm arguing, btw, before people get their panties in a twist.
Just that the Superman in this thread is cunning, fast,and strong as hell.
I get that, and yet Superman turned around recently in Action Comics
and had the exact same amount of trouble with Doomsday.
Would you say that something smells fishy here? Contradictory?
Oh, and I did read your entire statement.
Also, Doomsday on panel appeared more able to react to speed than
actually being a speedster. He was fast, no doubt, but the Hulk is fast
too.
But that showing with Doomsday.....doesn't mean Superman is slow, or slower.
Just that Doomsday is insanely fast. As he's always been written to be, ever since his very first appearance.
So not contradictory. It's also not proof that Hulk, or Grundy, or BiBeast, or Shaggy Man can do the same - any more than you can argue that Luke Cage can replicate Superman's showings, just because they both have durability and superstrength.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that showing with Doomsday.....doesn't mean Superman is slow, or slower.Just that Doomsday is insanely fast. As he's always been written to be, ever since his very first appearance.
So not contradictory. It's also not proof that Hulk, or Grundy, or BiBeast, or Shaggy Man can do the same - any more than you can argue that Luke Cage can replicate Superman's showings, just because they both have durability and superstrength.
Doomsday was able to react to Superman's speed.
We never once saw him race the Flash, or move at
insanely fast speeds like crossing a couple light years
is 2 seconds which is insanely fast.
I've considered your stance, it's time you considered
mine as well.
The one time that the Surfer pushed it, was when he went back in
time under his own power. Superman as of a week ago used the
Flash's treadmill to go back in time. We can cherry pick all day
and say that so and so has way better feats, but it will never take
away from the idea that Thanos and the Hulk can, and have reacted
similarly to speedy characters like Doomsday was able to do with
Superman. No buts bro. It happened.
Originally posted by Stoic
Doomsday was able to react to Superman's speed.
We never once saw him race the Flash, or move at
insanely fast speeds like crossing a couple light years
is 2 seconds which is insanely fast.
Booster Gold does not exist in real life (obv). The writer does, though.
So, faster than Flash. From a guy who, from HIS POV (if we want to take things like that into account) is from the future, and knows full well what the Flash can or cannot do.
I've considered your stance, it's time you considered
mine as well.
Fair enough.
The one time that the Surfer pushed it, was when he went back in
time under his own power. Superman as of a week ago used the
Flash's treadmill to go back in time. We can cherry pick all day
and say that so and so has way better feats, but it will never take
away from the idea that Thanos and the Hulk can, and have reacted
similarly to speedy characters like Doomsday was able to do with
Superman. No buts bro. It happened.
The Cosmic Treadmill is there to give you precision - like a homing device:
It's not there to speed you up to break the time barrier. It doesn't make you faster. It gives you the ability to travel with precision.
I get what you're trying to say. Surfer can time travel, Superman can time travel, therefore they have the same level of speed, Hulk and Thanos have reacted to Surfer, so they can react to Superman, just like Doomsday was able to react to Superman.
Remember how Doomsday was 'faster than the Flash'?
https://s5.postimg.org/l9aoajp07/image.jpg
Wally doesn't even need the treadmill, and can casually mid-sentence time-hop. And Doomsday is faster than that.
Moreover - and yes, I HAVE considered your position - imagine if Surfer was always at his 'time-travel' level speed (i.e. his highest showings). Would Thanos and Hulk still be able to react?
I AM cherry-picking a bit, but then:
Originally posted by cdtm
This is Superman at his best, most powerful post crisis version with no amps.
