Originally posted by Darth ThorQS is on another level than even the flash so bad comparison. We see in the same fight scene against WW her hit Superman and the others converge on him. He was stronger and more durable than all of them, Flash doesn't know how to fight and is a noob, and the rest of the team doesn't bring that much to the table. Hell, Cyborg can't even control his own powers part of the time. I can't think of a more pitiful team at this point in time than the Justice League who fought Super an and didn't even want to.
It’s a pretty huge one though.Like QS in X-Men would Just blitz all the other X-Men despite Wolverine’s skill or Colossus’s strength and Cyclops range. If the speed difference is too large it can essentially become a non-fight.
I mean Wonde Woman showed immense speed and skill herself in her opening action sequence, and she was completely frozen when Superman and Flash were going at it.
I think the important factors are how powerful Superman’s hits are when fighting at those speeds, and how long he can sustain those speeds for.
Originally posted by Darth ThorAnd that in the same scene WW lassoed and head butted him as well as took his first headbutt. Superman still gets hit often even in the same scene he uses his superspeed. Flash isn't a fighter and is pretty pathetic when it comes to fighting.
I mean Wonde Woman showed immense speed and skill herself in her opening action sequence, and she was completely frozen when Superman and Flash were going at it.I think the important factors are how powerful Superman’s hits are when fighting at those speeds, and how long he can sustain those speeds for.
I mean Wonde Woman showed immense speed and skill herself in her opening action sequence, and she was completely frozen when Superman and Flash were going at it.I think the important factors are how powerful Superman’s hits are when fighting at those speeds, and how long he can sustain those speeds for.
Yeah, but then WW had such a hard time against Steppenwolf who wasn't a speedster. If he was then he shouldn't have had issues catching up to the Amazons and Aquaman shouldn't have been able to hit him.
When you think about it, WW only seemed to utilize her superspeed in her opening sequence. Almost every other time she didn't seem to move any faster than Aquaman.
Originally posted by FrothByteYeah, but then WW had such a hard time against Steppenwolf who wasn't a speedster. If he was then he shouldn't have had issues catching up to the Amazons and Aquaman shouldn't have been able to hit him.
When you think about it, WW only seemed to utilize her superspeed in her opening sequence. Almost every other time she didn't seem to move any faster than Aquaman. [/B]
Well we usually separate combat speed and travelling speed.
In any case, it’s clear Wonder Woman can move incredibly fast in combat.
Originally posted by FrothByte
^ by blocking bullets, yes. But when engaging in melee, she seems to operate at only regular (by fighter standards) speed.
Are you arguing she won’t do that in melee in character, or are you claiming she’s not capable of using that speed in melee?
Because if it’s the former all I said was she “can” move at incredible speed in combat.
But if it’s a latter, good luck keeping that argument going. I get there can be a difference between traveling speed and combat speed. But displaying combat speed against bullets is clearly much harder and far more impressive than blocking normal speed punches.
^ For some reason I can't seem to quote your posts.
As to your question:
Right now I'm of the opinion that WW has superspeed but that she's still susceptible to being tagged by regular speed people in melee as long as they're skilled enough. I base that purely on everything I've seen her do.
She's not the first superhero to have such a conundrum. Spiderman and Daredevil do it to. Fast enough to dodge around gunfire yet still get hit by guys like Rhino and Kingpin in a fist fight. WW just does it at a more exaggerated rate.
To be honest, I blame DCEU for being so darn inconsistent with their character power levels. When Doomsday has no trouble hitting Superman but has trouble hitting Wonder Woman. When Wonder Woman is fast enough to block bullets but gets hit by Luddendorf. When Superman gets hit by a nuke and yet still has perfectly combed hair. Makes debating these characters challenging.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it's because writers realize that a good majority of his fans are losers and the best way to appeal to those kind of people are overpowered heroes.
DC tends to overpower their heroes a lot. Superman especially, yeah.
But still, it's hilarious. He's just better, cuz reasons. Fanboy reasons.
Originally posted by Surtur
DC tends to overpower their heroes a lot. Superman especially, yeah.But still, it's hilarious. He's just better, cuz reasons. Fanboy reasons.
I think it's a mistake to be honest. It's going to be hard for DC to keep their characters interesting in the long run if they make them this powerful so early on. I mean, it makes for great fighters in an mvf thread, but probably won't do so well from a storytelling perspective. I call it the DBZ syndrome.
I agree, I would make Superman more powerful than any individual member, but not the entire league combined.
It reminds me of the Justice League cartoon with the episode where they think Superman dies and Martian Manhunter goes "How many battles did we win just because he was there?" Lol. It's one thing for the general public to revere him but even the other heroes are like "yeah, we're useless as f*ck".
Originally posted by Surtur
I agree, I would make Superman more powerful than any individual member, but not the entire league combined.It reminds me of the Justice League cartoon with the episode where they think Superman dies and Martian Manhunter goes "How many battles did we win just because he was there?" Lol. It's one thing for the general public to revere him but even the other heroes are like "yeah, we're useless as f*ck".
The writers are aware that most Superman fanboys are very insecure.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The writers are aware that most Superman fanboys are very insecure.
Eh, I doubt they care about the hardcore fanboys. I just think they see Superman as a deus ex machina.
You can have him do anything and he can because he's Superman. Just throw in a line about will power and sunlight, and bam, it's done.