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Originally posted by Firefly218
Because black people are proportionally in poverty at a much higher rate than white people. Conversely, 96% of the top 1% of America are white people. White People hold 90 to 95% of America’s wealth.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yet the point is to put responsibility on the individual (regardless of skin color) committing the crime and not the race as a whole?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hmmm... "proportionately" huh... Well as far as the raw numbers go, do you happen to know about how many poor black people there are compared to how many poor white people there are? I'm not talking about a percentage of their populations, I'm talking about how many million black people live below the poverty line vs how many million white people live below the poverty line.

We’re discussing proportionality though

(my response to dmb was on the provious page)

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, DDM is right. The stuff you say does sound racist to me. Let me flip the script a bit and you decide if it’s racist or not if applied to black people:

“And I never said I oppose black people things, I said I oppose violent/murderous people who are criminals. And most of the time, the violent and criminals are black”

Might as well just say:

“I’m not racist, I LOVE rap music (and I have black friends).”

Oh, wow, that's poignant as f*ck. hmm

Mixed with his additional comments and the deeper grave he dug himself before he tried to back-peddle, yeah, he sounds quite racist.

Originally posted by Firefly218
I mean there’s a lot more white people in America then there are black people, so it’s an easy assumption to make that there are more white people in poverty than black people.

We’re discussing proportionality though

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Hold on are you talking about the power difference between an impoverished black guy and a wealthy elite white guy here? Or between anyone of white skin and anyone of white skin?

And I do not agree that racism against blacks is any more egregious than racism against whites, as a matter of principle both are equally contemptible and the idea that they should be held to different standards is not an idea I agree with. Particularly since it's not black people who are frequently slandered with some collective guilt by the MSM, and that it's not black people who are discriminated against by affirmative action policies, and that it's not blacks who some college professors are slandering as inherently guilty of racism by dint of birth. I'm not whipping my dick out here and thrusting it into a measuring contest of whose oppressed how much but the idea that anti-white racism can be ignored because its inconsequential is absurd.

So from a logical and moral standpoint creating a distinction between how bad racism is based on the target is not something that makes sense to me, and I also don't think it's practical in the interest of protecting minorities.

The reason I don't think its practical is because you can't separate anti-white and anti-black racism for each other. I hate the alt-right, I think their vile pseudointellectual pieces of shit with a very twisted and warped sense of principles. That being said the quickest way for the alt-right to grow and anti-minority sentiment to grow is to have university faculty spreading the idea that white people are collectively guilty of racism and black people are collectively innocent, to have affirmative action and diversity hiring policies that discriminate against black people (and someone high up in the DNC saying they were looking for someone who was specifically in a "marginalized" identity category to hire for positions), to have people cheering at the idea of white people becoming a minority, to have people publish anti-white shit in MSM, and to have people be apologists for this shit and say it should be ignored.

You can't incur or allow racial sentiment to exist in either direction and expect there not to be reciprocal backlash. It's why I criticize the intersectional people who claim to act in the interests of minorities for their bullshit anti-white crap that drives up the amount of support the alt-right gets, and that's why I criticize the people who backlash against this SJW BS by joining the alt-right because they're just feeding into the narrative that there's a bunch of fascists and that white people are evil. It's why I'm not hesitant at all to call out any form of racism, and that's why I'm not eager to differentiate which types of racism are better or worse based on the group on the receiving end, because I don't think that's helpful. Both of these things are responsible for the state of race relations and racial tensions, and it's not helpful to ignore/downplay or be an apologist for one of these things.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yea, which is why firefly never attacked white people as a whole, he simply defended criticizing white individuals.

That’s basically the same thing.

And he IS attacking (or at least condones the attack of, which is in a verbal/written medium pretty much the same thing IMO), he literally says it: (See: “if any group deserves to be attacked...” argument).

Maybe take the “white” aspect out and simply direct the fault to the corrupt assholes doing the corrupt *******-y thing?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but see here's the thing, if there are more poor white people than there are poor black people, it kinda goes against the notion that poverty is the reason that black's commit such a large percentage of crimes in this country. Because the reason was rooted in poverty then blacks wouldn't be responsible for stuff like committing 50%+ of murders, white people would be responsible for well over half of them because there are so many more poor white people.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That’s basically the same thing.

And he IS attacking (or at least condones the attack of, which is in a verbal/written medium pretty much the same thing IMO), he literally says it: (See: “if any group deserves to be attacked...” argument).

Maybe take the “white” aspect out and simply direct the fault to the corrupt assholes doing the corrupt *******-y thing?

Hypothetically, if the wealthiest and richest most corrupt people in America were black, then it would be black people receiving the most criticism.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Crime rates are much higher among poor white people. And if we’re not speaking proportionately, than white people committ more murders, more rapes, more thefts and more vandalism than black people. But that’s only because white people are greater in population.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Crime rates are much higher among poor white people. And if we’re not speaking proportionately, than white people committ more murders, more rapes, more thefts and more vandalism than black people. But that’s only because white people are greater in population.

Yeah, I covered this. Got it from all sides and angles:

Originally posted by dadudemon

And I also covered this as not being a race problem. This is an African American problem (as the US Census defines "African American"😉. As our black immigrants are far far far far better citizens that white Americans.

I'm of the opinion that anyone who things black people "as a race" are criminals, is a racist. We have an African American issue.

Also, damn Emperordmb just has too much energy to post a ton. But, yes, he captured my arguments/points really well. I don't think he should have wasted his time on Rocky as Rocky's arguments were easy to see why they had problems. Just ignore him when he does his thing.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The corrupt assholes happen to be almost completely white. Minorities only constitute around 2% of the top 1%.

Hypothetically, if the wealthiest and richest most corrupt people in America were black, then it would be black people receiving the most criticism.

OMG. You just can’t shake your racism can you?

facepalm

Blacks getting the blame for being rich and corrupt (if such became the case) is still wrong. Omg. Why can’t you see it?

There’s just too mich denial here. Hopeless.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The corrupt assholes happen to be almost completely white. Minorities only constitute around 2% of the top 1%.

Hypothetically, if the wealthiest and richest most corrupt people in America were black, then it would be black people receiving the most criticism.

Man....I'm not sure what you're on about with this. Your numbers are just plain wrong:

In total, there are just about 120 million American households. So when we talk about the top one percent, we are looking at the top 1.2 million households. Breaking the 120 million homes down by race, according to the U.S. Census, there are nearly 83 million white households, and there are just about 14 million black households.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/antonio-moore/americas-financial-divide_b_7013330.html

Here are your percentages:

White Families in the top 1%: 69.2%
Black families in the top 1%: 11.6%

According to the US Census, whites make up 76.6% of the population. Already, we can see that white's are underrepresented in the top 1%.

Black make up 13.3% of the population.

Both populations are underrepresented by about ~90%.

But you knew this. This is part of why I think you're racist: I have shown, yet again, that you have a clear anti-white agenda.

I mean, you're not even CLOSE to being correct with your numbers.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, I covered this. Got it from all sides and angles:

And I also covered this as not being a race problem. This is an African American problem (as the US Census defines "African American"😉. As our black immigrants are far far far far better citizens that white Americans.

I'm of the opinion that anyone who things black people "as a race" are criminals, is a racist. We have an African American issue.

Also, damn Emperordmb just has too much energy to post a ton. But, yes, he captured my arguments/points really well. I don't think he should have wasted his time on Rocky as Rocky's arguments were easy to see why they had problems. Just ignore him when he does his thing.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
OMG. You just can’t shake your racism can you?

facepalm

Blacks getting the blame for being rich and corrupt (if such became the case) is still wrong. Omg. Why can’t you see it?

There’s just too mich denial here. Hopeless.

Right, this is the same problem I ran into with him. He wants to focus on white people, ignore black issues (this is racist, as well), and spews overtly racist anti-white stuff.

Like I said, Ziggtard was at least upfront about his racism.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, so whites DO commit more total murders than blacks do?

Depends on the year. Sometimes, blacks have the simple majority. Sometimes whites have a simple majority. It fluctuates.

My suggestion for why this happens is gang-wars in inner cities cause spikes in black an black crimes: homicide. Sometimes, gang-wars get pretty severe and more black men die (sadly) in a year.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Depends on the year. Sometimes, blacks have the simple majority. Sometimes whites have a simple majority. It fluctuates.

My suggestion for why this happens is gang-wars in inner cities cause spikes in black an black crimes: homicide. Sometimes, gang-wars get pretty severe and more black men die (sadly) in a year.

That’s basically the same thing.

And he IS attacking (or at least condones the attack of, which is in a verbal/written medium pretty much the same thing IMO), he literally says it: (See: “if any group deserves to be attacked...” argument).

Firefly was simply responding to them on the terms of discussion they had set.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Man....I'm not sure what you're on about with this. Your numbers are just plain wrong:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/antonio-moore/americas-financial-divide_b_7013330.html

Here are your percentages:

White Families in the top 1%: 69.2%
Black families in the top 1%: 11.6%

According to the US Census, whites make up 76.6% of the population. Already, we can see that white's are underrepresented in the top 1%.

Black make up 13.3% of the population.

Both populations are underrepresented by about ~90%.

But you knew this. This is part of why I think you're racist: I have shown, yet again, that you have a clear anti-white agenda.

I mean, you're not even CLOSE to being correct with your numbers.

Blacks are only 1.4% of the top 1%

White families are 96% of the top 1%

https://thegrio.com/2011/11/21/who-are-the-black-1-percent/

That is ridiculously disproportional