Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure that's the issue exactly here, but you'd have no problem with say a Black couple being denied because they wanted a Black bride&groom represented on their cake and the baker was like "nope, I don't bake for no Blacks, just my beliefs"?
Originally posted by RobtardWhat if the bakery in question will bake the gays a cake but just don't want to bake a gay themed cake? Should you really be able to force people to design cakes that go against their personal tastes or beliefs? Just seems silly and honestly petty as **** to me. It's like people aren't content with "I do my thing, you do yours." They need everyone to (pretend to) agree with them or they aren't satisfied.
Not sure that's the issue exactly here, but you'd have no problem with say a Black couple being denied because they wanted a Black bride&groom represented on their cake and the baker was like "nope, I don't bake for no Blacks, just my beliefs"?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd take moral issue with that, but I'd take even more moral issue with government force compelling this person to use their artistry in a way they don't agree with.
If that happened, said couple would have a case to file discrimination against, as it's the law. You can't refuse people a public service you provide to others, because of their skin color/race.
But at least you're evenly applying your reasoning.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
What if the bakery in question will bake the gays a cake but just don't want to bake a gay themed cake? Should you really be able to force people to design cakes that go against their personal tastes or beliefs? Just seems silly and honestly petty as **** to me. It's like people aren't content with "I do my thing, you do yours." They need everyone to (pretend to) agree with them or they aren't satisfied.
What's a "gay themed cake"?
But SM made a point on this early on, the baker should have just said "I can't, I'm too busy to fulfill your order in time, sorry" or the like, not a "get out of my store, you queers!" type of response. Sure he's still a silly ****ing bigot.
Personally, as a Christian, he should have asked WWJD? And then baked them a cake, like Jesus would have 🙂
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
What if the bakery in question will bake the gays a cake but just don't want to bake a gay themed cake? Should you really be able to force people to design cakes that go against their personal tastes or beliefs? Just seems silly and honestly petty as **** to me. It's like people aren't content with "I do my thing, you do yours." They need everyone to (pretend to) agree with them or they aren't satisfied.
Plus "My religion doesn't support gay marriage and thus I feel uncomfortable making a gay themed wedding cake" is not the same as "I think blacks are inferior and thus refuse to sell them a wedding cake".
Originally posted by Robtard
If that happened, said couple would have a case to file discrimination against, as it's the law. You can't refuse people a public service you provide to others, because of their skin color/race.
Originally posted by Robtard
But at least you're evenly applying your reasoning.
Originally posted by Robtard
What's a "gay themed cake"?But SM made a point on this early on, the baker should have just said "I can't, I'm too busy to fulfill your order in time, sorry" or the like, not a "get out of my store, you queers!" type of response. Sure he's still a silly ****ing bigot.
Personally, as a Christian, he should have asked WWJD? And then baked them a cake, like Jesus would have 🙂
*smh* Except he didn't say that. He wasn't rude to them. He explained his stance, that is it. He didn't chase them out of his store.
Btw Jesus, being nice, would probably whip up a cake for someone free of charge. Should the baker do that too?
Originally posted by Surtur
Plus "My religion doesn't support gay marriage and thus I feel uncomfortable making a gay themed wedding cake" is not the same as "I think blacks are inferior and thus refuse to sell them a wedding cake".
Remind me again where in the bible does it precisely say "no gay marriage" or the like?
I've only read it once, so I'm only a nigh scholar on it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Remind me again where in the bible does it precisely say "no gay marriage" or the like?I've only read it once, so I'm only a nigh scholar on it.
I'm no biblical scholar either, all I know is he is saying gay marriage is against his understanding of biblical teachings. You'd have to ask him what teachings he means.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Beni is literally saying people can deny expressing themselves in a way he finds reprehensible, but they can be forced to express something they disagree with as long as it aligns with Beni's views. I call him out on the obvious bullshit, and he throws a trademark evasive smiley at me.
Originally posted by RHaggis😮
Why are you even surprised by that?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
If somebody is uncomfortable expressing something you should not be able to threaten them with force to make them express it, no matter how benign what you want them to express may seem. This is a point of principle.
What about the people feeling uncomfortable that the only pastry chef in 200 miles is refusing them service based on discrimination? Does your heart not feel anything for them?
Plenty of people have to do uncomfortable things at work. These guys can take picking up 2 wax men and moving them a few feet.
Originally posted by Surtur
*smh* Except he didn't say that. He wasn't rude to them. He explained his stance, that is it. He didn't chase them out of his store.Btw Jesus, being nice, would probably whip up a cake for someone free of charge. Should the baker do that too?
Did you hear rattling? Do you really believe "I was not rude though" is an excuse for discrimination?
Conjecture. We do know Jesus loved everyone equally. Doesn't mean he's giving free cakes out.
Originally posted by Robtard
Personally, as a Christian, he should have asked WWJD? And then baked them a cake, like Jesus would have 🙂
You're partly correct. He'd build them a nice marital home because he was a general contractor/carpenter.
Then he'd bring a few barrels of water to the wedding. When the people got disappointed with the drink selection, he'd tell them to wait for it...
sparkle sparkle magic pow pow
Now several barrels of wedding wine, biiiitttchhhheeess! (this is a legit Jesus-feat as he turned water to wine at a wedding so no one can deny he wouldn't be able to do this: this is within his power set).
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm no biblical scholar either, all I know is he is saying gay marriage is against his understanding of biblical teachings. You'd have to ask him what teachings he means.
I really really doesn't matter, though. Who cares what the bible says on this specific topic? He doesn't want to decorate a cake. Don't force him to.