Could Orion solo The Authority?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I mean prepare in the sense that's he's ready to fight someone like Orion. He isn't facing another flying brick here. He's fighting the dog of war, who comes with the AstroForce, Mother Box and a savagery he's rarely seen.

I don't believe the usual level of easiness he's accustomed to when facing most beings will be sufficient for Orion. So by prepare himself I mean, he's ready for a fight, he know he'll have to work and if he's not careful he can go down.

Orion is not just more durable than Majestic, he's also a lot more cosmologically important with a much higher state of existence and with much higher overall feats (The same way Thor = God has allowed him to do high end feats).

I for example can totally see the Doctor trying to warp Orion, failing (I don't subscribe to the idea that the Doctor can easily transmute Orion etc.) and the shock and surprise being enough for Orion to land a knock out punch on the Doctor. And yes, technically he's impossible to kill based on the rogue Doctor but as we both know that hardly means he can't be knocked out or incapacitated.

Fair enough. And I agree transmutation stuff gets tricky to predict once you get into "god" territory. Though again, a lot is just that the Authority doesn't old back like most superhero teams. I think there's a good chance the transmutation - even if it isn't a OHK - is something he'd struggle to handle. And like, we should be able to say for sure that it works on other beings at that power level (Majestic, other Superman-class heroes, etc.), so Orion might be able to block that particular OHK, but it's a temporary reprieve against a character that can usually brush off heralds like dandruff.

Personally, I think it would be much more like the fight against the cultist telepath, where once Jeroen decided to get serious, he grew to the size of a skyscraper and ate the dude whole, just moments after he had been punching Apollo literally around the globe and generally no-selling the rest of the Authority. And his powers might not transmute Orion wholesale, but they wouldn't be impotent either. The Majestic-freeze feat followed by a beatdown is another reasonable scenario imo. Again, friggin' Majestic couldn't move, and it was easy. How much more effort would be required to do the same to anyone at that level, even if Orion is marginally stronger? A concentrated telekinetic freeze on his entire being should be enough for plenty of damage to be inflicted. No one's saying he's going to nonchalantly moonwalk into the fight. That's just a reference point for saying that a serious Doctor is far too much for a herald to match.

Didn't know Rage was an Orion fan.

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Originally posted by Digi
Fair enough. And I agree transmutation stuff gets tricky to predict once you get into "god" territory. Though again, a lot is just that the Authority doesn't old back like most superhero teams. I think there's a good chance the transmutation - even if it isn't a OHK - is something he'd struggle to handle. And like, we should be able to say for sure that it works on other beings at that power level (Majestic, other Superman-class heroes, etc.), so Orion might be able to block that particular OHK, but it's a temporary reprieve against a character that can usually brush off heralds like dandruff.

Personally, I think it would be much more like the fight against the cultist telepath, where once Jeroen decided to get serious, he grew to the size of a skyscraper and ate the dude whole, just moments after he had been punching Apollo literally around the globe and generally no-selling the rest of the Authority. And his powers might not transmute Orion wholesale, but they wouldn't be impotent either. The Majestic-freeze feat followed by a beatdown is another reasonable scenario imo. Again, friggin' Majestic couldn't move, and it was easy. How much more effort would be required to do the same to anyone at that level, even if Orion is marginally stronger? A concentrated telekinetic freeze on his entire being should be enough for plenty of damage to be inflicted. No one's saying he's going to nonchalantly moonwalk into the fight. That's just a reference point for saying that a serious Doctor is far too much for a herald to match.

I understand what you're seeing but I think being a New God adds a whole new level of protection compared to standard superheroes like Majestic, particularly compared to exotic types of forces. We haven't even touched upon the True New God form which brings about an entirely new dimension into the conversation.

Fair enough. If the Doctor exerted his psychic magic to hold Orion in a block of telekinesis for example, I think he'd probably win but that's what I mean by the Doctor getting serious, utilizing his powers in creative ways.

The Authority has to be ready, and serious to take him down. Because they aren't facing another flying brick, they're facing Orion, and we all know what happens when he's written efficiently. Cue the Walter Simonson paperback:

Using his powers in creative ways is basically the Doctor's MO, just saying.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Didn't know Rage was an Orion fan.

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Yeah, loving Rage repping Orion so well!!

Originally posted by Smurph
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If you're out to troll without reading a comic, you can do that anywhere, not just in your own threads.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I dont think its so much as trolling as riv just legit doesnt read up on most characters and he seems genuinely upset when his threads get prematurely shut down...like Digimark just did.

And if all the so called well read posters here can contribute is 'Doctor solos' then, they're showing there's a difference between reading and understanding a comic.

And thanks to everyone who gave me some well thought out opinions. 👆

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16440371#post16440371

Interested in input from Doctor fans.

^^^ooh, not my kinda match up, as i detest DBZ. Hope the Doc gets the nod in that one.

Originally posted by cdtm
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16440371#post16440371

Interested in input from Doctor fans.

Dunno sh*t about Goku/DBZ, so that thread will escape my wrath.

All you need to know is DBZ -is- shit.

Originally posted by Digi
Dunno sh*t about Goku/DBZ, so that thread will escape my wrath.

Riv isn't wrong. 😂

If Goku could bust a universe (And I'm not saying he can, but a scene happened where Goku and Beerus the Destroyer struck fists, sent out some waves, and some old god said "If they do that three times, the universe will be desttoyed!"😉

If he was really that powerful, could the Doctor survive it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I understand what you're seeing but I think being a New God adds a whole new level of protection compared to standard superheroes like Majestic, particularly compared to exotic types of forces. We haven't even touched upon the True New God form which brings about an entirely new dimension into the conversation.

Fair enough. If the Doctor exerted his psychic magic to hold Orion in a block of telekinesis for example, I think he'd probably win but that's what I mean by the Doctor getting serious, utilizing his powers in creative ways.

The Authority has to be ready, and serious to take him down. Because they aren't facing another flying brick, they're facing Orion, and we all know what happens when he's written efficiently. Cue the Walter Simonson paperback:

I'll wind this down because further discussion would start to split hairs. I have a hard time gifting Orion immunity to what is basically the Doctor's entire power set, of shaping reality to his will. The fact that he's a New God must be acknowledged, I agree, but it's really only that nebulous protection that's saving this from being a laughable stomp. I still don't think the fight is in any doubt, but if it helps for me to concede that he'd need to bring his A Game, he would.

Epic pic, of course. Nice use of it. 👆

Originally posted by riv6672
All you need to know is DBZ -is- shit.

Originally posted by cdtm
Riv isn't wrong. 😂

If Goku could bust a universe (And I'm not saying he can, but a scene happened where Goku and Beerus the Destroyer struck fists, sent out some waves, and some old god said "If they do that three times, the universe will be desttoyed!"😉

If he was really that powerful, could the Doctor survive it?

Lol, 👆

On your question, it depends. Could he tank it straight-up? No, I doubt it. He's set up transmutation walls for all sorts of blasts, but that's more than he's tanked by a large margin. But he can walk dimensions like we walk to the kitchen for a beer. Or create a pocket dimension for himself to avoid it. Or phase. Or convert himself into a concept unaffected by raw force. Or...you get the idea. He'd have a better shot ignoring the damage that way.

I wonder how the Doctor can deal with a MB. The very energy (The Source) and device that will aide Orion.

Originally posted by Digi
I'll wind this down because further discussion would start to split hairs. I have a hard time gifting Orion immunity to what is basically the Doctor's entire power set, of shaping reality to his will. The fact that he's a New God must be acknowledged, I agree, but it's really only that nebulous protection that's saving this from being a laughable stomp. I still don't think the fight is in any doubt, but if it helps for me to concede that he'd need to bring his A Game, he would.

Epic pic, of course. Nice use of it. 👆

TBC, since i didnt address your reply, the link i posted for you earlier was to show that underneath all the various story arcs for the team, was not 'Doctor solos' over and over.
The Doctor simply doesnt 'shit stomp' on average, so replies like that, oversimplify.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Fair enough.

TBC, since i didnt address your reply, the link i posted for you earlier was to show that underneath all the various story arcs for the team, was not 'Doctor solos' over and over.
The Doctor simply doesnt 'shit stomp' on average, so replies like that, oversimplify.

Agreed on that point, at least. One word answers of any variety (or short phrases) are generally pointless as either springboards for discussion or defensible statements on their own.

As I mentioned earlier, though, the lengths the writers went to write out the Doctor from fights where he really would solo was incredibly impressive. They never let the comic become self-aware enough to make it a joke, but it strained credulity at least once or twice. And it gave him remarkably few low showings when he was actually allowed to engage in combat. "Lol drug use" being the most common retort in debates against him, which is a telling sign that without crippling CIS nerfs, he was single-handedly more powerful than most teams out there.

Originally posted by Digi
Agreed on that point, at least. One word answers of any variety (or short phrases) are generally pointless as either springboards for discussion or defensible statements on their own.

As I mentioned earlier, though, the lengths the writers went to write out the Doctor from fights where he really would solo was incredibly impressive. They never let the comic become self-aware enough to make it a joke, but it strained credulity at least once or twice. And it gave him remarkably few low showings when he was actually allowed to engage in combat. "Lol drug use" being the most common retort in debates against him, which is a telling sign that without crippling CIS nerfs, he was single-handedly more powerful than most teams out there.

Originally posted by Digi
Lol, 👆

On your question, it depends. Could he tank it straight-up? No, I doubt it. He's set up transmutation walls for all sorts of blasts, but that's more than he's tanked by a large margin. But he can walk dimensions like we walk to the kitchen for a beer. Or create a pocket dimension for himself to avoid it. Or phase. Or convert himself into a concept unaffected by raw force. Or...you get the idea. He'd have a better shot ignoring the damage that way.

And what if the other guy is Flash fast?

Can Doctor deal with super speed?

Originally posted by cdtm
And what if the other guy is Flash fast?

Can Doctor deal with super speed?

In theory, yes. He's done localized time stops that would presumably negate such levels of speed and protect him in a time bubble. In practice, WS doesn't have speedsters on Flash's level, so there isn't a lot of precedent for it. Whereas the Doctor has reformed in comics after getting blown up or otherwise "killed," that was always mid-battle. There's some evidence to suggest a true speedblitz would work, and it would likely take someone of Flash's speed to do so. As soon as he thinks a thought, it's pretty much game over for that tactic. And as with many things in comics that lack definitive feats one way or another, we're dealing with subjective interpretation and probability at that point.

Originally posted by Digi
In theory, yes. He's done localized time stops that would presumably negate such levels of speed and protect him in a time bubble. In practice, WS doesn't have speedsters on Flash's level, so there isn't a lot of precedent for it. Whereas the Doctor has reformed in comics after getting blown up or otherwise "killed," that was always mid-battle. There's some evidence to suggest a true speedblitz would work, and it would likely take someone of Flash's speed to do so. As soon as he thinks a thought, it's pretty much game over for that tactic. And as with many things in comics that lack definitive feats one way or another, we're dealing with subjective interpretation and probability at that point.

Excellent, I can work with this.

Then again, it doesn't have Superman, so the usual suspects might ignore the thread altogether. 😂

But thanks for your input.