Originally posted by quanchi112
Give a specific example. Quit throwing out vague comments like Trump. Actually attempt to debate for a change.
Are you dense? It's right above:
Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat Luke. Facts matter not your bias.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Unarmed Khan and even then she couldn't best him. Context matters.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe beat Luke. Like came to his bed with his saber armed and his powers intact. He has time to react to Kylo retrieving his lightsaber and attacking. Luke was beaten. Luke was trying to avoid a fight with Vader. Vader was unable to beat him prior to him fighting back. Once he threatened his sister Luke destroyed him.
Are you dense? It's right above:
Khan was not defeated by Uhura. Spock intervened. Quit ignoring the facts. You lie.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe did beat Luke because his intentions were never in doubt. You use a double standard against Snoke saying that was fair and square. You're a huge hypocrite tbh. You change your standards from thread to thread. You are too biased to have a reasonable discussion with tbh. Apparently Luke having his lightsaber drawn standing over someone as they sleep and being aware isn't fair but someone dropping their guard and believing he's going to kill Rey is a fair battle.
😂Your butthurt over the true power scales shown in the film are hilarious.
Just log out. You're getting taken to school.
Originally posted by Darth ThorSee you're too biased to stop from using clear double standards I expose you on. Luke being armed and ready somehow doesn't count but Snoke dropping his guard and not being aware somehow is fair game. Quit being emotional and try to be consistent. You're biased.
Nah he beat Snoke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
See you're too biased to stop from using clear double standards I expose you on. Luke being armed and ready somehow doesn't count but Snoke dropping his guard and not being aware somehow is fair game. Quit being emotional and try to be consistent. You're biased.
When did Snoke drop his guard? How is Actively reading his mind dropping his guard lol
Rey already tried to use the weapon sitting next to him, but to no avail.
Kylo was able to hide his attack, because there's not much difference in power between Snoke and Kylo. End of.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What feats are greater ?Far older and less powerful on the force. Kylo wins.
His superior dueling feats: defeating Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, both individually and at the same time, and went head to head with Yoda for a respectable amount of time.
In terms of the force: Dooku has collapsed a ceiling, effortlessly throws about objects, is able to easily collapse pillars, breaking through the force shields of opposing force sensitives ie Kenobi, if you take the animated clone wars movie into account then Dooku was able to block and deflect a small TK storm from Anakin, and his numerous force lightning feats.
Kylo Ren from TFA and Last Jedi has shown no feats that surpass or even compare to Dooku IMO. His duel with Rey in TFA was rather sad. He was bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber as Snoke put it. Although he was injured, to put everything into context. Even then Rey has shown no feats of lightsaber combat that put her on the level of the likes of Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi's. so in terms of lightsaber combat, I'd say Dooku has a pretty solid edge.
The force is the same story. He wasn't able to overpower Rey and take the lightsaber away from her, showing that the two are about even. However, Rey has not shown any feats that would put her on the level of Dooku tier force weilders either. So it's a safe assumption that Kylo Ren isn't on that level either. While he has an extreme amount of force potential, that's all it is, is force potential. Not force power he can exert in an actual duel.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe believed the true enemy was Rey. If you believe he anticipated an attack you're lying.
When did Snoke drop his guard? How is Actively reading his mind dropping his guard lolRey already tried to use the weapon sitting next to him, but to no avail.
Kylo was able to hide his attack, because there's not much difference in power between Snoke and Kylo. End of.
He knew Rey opposed him so he was ready for her. For ****s sake was Sidious ready for Vader's betrayal.
He was able to sneak under the radar due to the location of the lightsaber. This has nothing to do with power level. You try to falsely equivocate power level to even random comments about Vader. You can't prove any of it. It's just baseless and wishful conjecture.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Ben beat Luke. Anakin was able to trounce Dooku when his power doubled in rots. Dooku was tired quickly and beaten decisively. Kenobi doesn't fight like Kylo at all so that fight isn't indicative of how these two matchup.
His superior dueling feats: defeating Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, both individually and at the same time, and went head to head with Yoda for a respectable amount of time.
Nothing impressive or to suggest he's too powerful for Kylo who has statements from Luke, freezing a blaster bolt, collapsing that structure to defeat Luke.
In terms of the force: Dooku has collapsed a ceiling, effortlessly throws about objects, is able to easily collapse pillars, breaking through the force shields of opposing force sensitives ie Kenobi, if you take the animated clone wars movie into account then Dooku was able to block and deflect a small TK storm from Anakin, and his numerous force lightning feats.[/B]
He was spiritually ripped in two. He also was wounded by chewies weapon so that isn't something you can gloss over. No, since he so the injured or spiritually weaker since he just killed his own father.
Kylo Ren from TFA and Last Jedi has shown no feats that surpass or even compare to Dooku IMO. His duel with Rey in TFA was rather sad. He was bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber as Snoke put it. Although he was injured, to put everything into context. Even then Rey has shown no feats of lightsaber combat that put her on the level of the likes of Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi's. so in terms of lightsaber combat, I'd say Dooku has a pretty solid edge.[/B]
Kylo and Rey are more powerful in the force than Dooku. He also has the training to defeat him with a saber. Rey also had training from Luke. Kylo is technically sound with a saber. He defeats Dooku.The force is the same story. He wasn't able to overpower Rey and take the lightsaber away from her, showing that the two are about even. However, Rey has not shown any feats that would put her on the level of Dooku tier force weilders either. So it's a safe assumption that Kylo Ren isn't on that level either. While he has an extreme amount of force potential, that's all it is, is force potential. Not force power he can exert in an actual duel. [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ben beat Luke. Anakin was able to trounce Dooku when his power doubled in rots. Dooku was tired quickly and beaten decisively. Kenobi doesn't fight like Kylo at all so that fight isn't indicative of how these two matchup.Nothing impressive or to suggest he's too powerful for Kylo who has statements from Luke, freezing a blaster bolt, collapsing that structure to defeat Luke.
He was spiritually ripped in two. He also was wounded by chewies weapon so that isn't something you can gloss over. No, since he so the injured or spiritually weaker since he just killed his own father.Kylo and Rey are more powerful in the force than Dooku. He also has the training to defeat him with a saber. Rey also had training from Luke. Kylo is technically sound with a saber. He defeats Dooku.
If you're referring to the scene where Kylo collapses his tent on Luke, that wasn't an actual fight. That was Luke realizing he did the wrong thing, and Kylo unfortunately saw him with his lightsaber out and then he collapsed the building on him. That's not really a conclusive battle Tom show that Kylo was better than Luke, or a feat that puts him above Dooku. Dooku has also collapsed ceilings and other objects. Yes, when his power doubled. 1) That fight was circumstantial, and 2) You would have to prove that Kylo is able to reach that level of power and skill that Anakin reached in that moment, which I am not seeing may evidence. Dooku was tired quickly? Umm I saw him ragdoll Kenobi's, and continue fighting the same as when he statrted. That's irrelevant, that Obi Wan doesn't fight like Kylo. The point is that Obi Wan>Kylo which shows that Dooku being able to fight both Kenobi's and Anakin at the same time is a superior feat to anything Kylo has demonstrated.
I mentioned that he was injured. However even with that injury, and the willful murder of his father, he should have still being able to beat Rey who had no prior training with a lightsaber. Even if he beat Rey, it wouldn't matter because that again doesn't put him or Rey on the level of deulist like Anakin, Obi Wan, or Yoda, all of whom Yoda as either defeated or gone head to head with for a prolonged period of time. Luke's statements while admirable are more indicative of Kylo's force POTENTIAL, not force power he can apply in combat. Freezing the blaster bolt while cool, isn't new going to help him against Dooku. He wouldn't be able to freeze the Count as he has a proven defense against other force attacks from superior force weilders.
Kylo and Rey have more force POTENTIAL. Not necessarily more powerful in actual applicable force abilities. Dooku has years of training and feats to his name. Beating Anakin, Obi Wan, and going toe to toe with Yoda and holding his own for a considerable amount of time all surpass that of Kylo's feats with the blade. If you could point me to one lightsaber feat that Kylo has that eclipses Dooku, maybe that wouldn't help your case.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Yes, it was an actual fight in which Luke lost. Luke feeling ashamed at his actions don't excuse his reactions to Ben. Dooku took a longer period of time to collapse far less than Ben. Good to point that out. He was far less successful in a greater time frame. Ben > Dooku.
If you're referring to the scene where Kylo collapses his tent on Luke, that wasn't an actual fight. That was Luke realizing he did the wrong thing, and Kylo unfortunately saw him with his lightsaber out and then he collapsed the building on him. That's not really a conclusive battle Tom show that Kylo was better than Luke, or a feat that puts him above Dooku. Dooku has also collapsed ceilings and other objects. Yes, when his power doubled.
1) All fights are circumstantial so you don't have a point.
1) That fight was circumstantial, and 2) You would have to prove that Kylo is able to reach that level of power and skill that Anakin reached in that moment, which I am not seeing may evidence. Dooku was tired quickly? Umm I saw him ragdoll Kenobi's, and continue fighting the same as when he statrted. That's irrelevant, that Obi Wan doesn't fight like Kylo. The point is that Obi Wan>Kylo which shows that Dooku being able to fight both Kenobi's and Anakin at the same time is a superior feat to anything Kylo has demonstrated.
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2) Anakin just beat him. Ben beat Luke in far less time. That's more successful against someone more powerful than Dooku in Luke.
No, we see Maul take on both Kenobi and Qui as well. Maul had them both bested whereas Dooku lost decisively to Anakin one on one. That is bad.
I mentioned that he was injured. However even with that injury, and the willful murder of his father, he should have still being able to beat Rey who had no prior training with a lightsaber. Even if he beat Rey, it wouldn't matter because that again doesn't put him or Rey on the level of deulist like Anakin, Obi Wan, or Yoda, all of whom Yoda as either defeated or gone head to head with for a prolonged period of time. Luke's statements while admirable are more indicative of Kylo's force POTENTIAL, not force power he can apply in combat. Freezing the blaster bolt while cool, isn't new going to help him against Dooku. He wouldn't be able to freeze the Count as he has a proven defense against other force attacks from superior force
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He was broken so he wasn't determined, had a huge injury and only lost after he tried to talk her into letting him train her. Don't ignore the rest of that and say hey man he should still crush her. You're an idiot.
I didn't say that he could freeze the force lighting I said that's a tremendous feat. His saber can negate the fl Kenobi casually blocks. He isn't that hard to block his fl unless you are dunce Anakin and blindly rush in.
Kylo has been trained by both Snoke and Luke. Luke wasn't trained years whereas Anakin had decades of training. That didn't stop Luke from destroying him in Rotj.Kylo and Rey have more force POTENTIAL. Not necessarily more powerful in actual applicable force abilities. Dooku has years of training and feats to his name. Beating Anakin, Obi Wan, and going toe to toe with Yoda and holding his own for a considerable amount of time all surpass that of Kylo's feats with the blade. If you could point me to one lightsaber feat that Kylo has that eclipses Dooku, maybe that wouldn't help your case. [/B]
Kylo defeated Luke which shits all over Dooku's greatest wins over Kenobi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it was an actual fight in which Luke lost. Luke feeling ashamed at his actions don't excuse his reactions to Ben. Dooku took a longer period of time to collapse far less than Ben. Good to point that out. He was far less successful in a greater time frame. Ben > Dooku.1) All fights are circumstantial so you don't have a point.
2) Anakin just beat him. Ben beat Luke in far less time. That's more successful against someone more powerful than Dooku in Luke.
No, we see Maul take on both Kenobi and Qui as well. Maul had them both bested whereas Dooku lost decisively to Anakin one on one. That is bad.
He was broken so he wasn't determined, had a huge injury and only lost after he tried to talk her into letting him train her. Don't ignore the rest of that and say hey man he should still crush her. You're an idiot.
I didn't say that he could freeze the force lighting I said that's a tremendous feat. His saber can negate the fl Kenobi casually blocks. He isn't that hard to block his fl unless you are dunce Anakin and blindly rush in.
Kylo has been trained by both Snoke and Luke. Luke wasn't trained years whereas Anakin had decades of training. That didn't stop Luke from destroying him in Rotj.
Kylo defeated Luke which shits all over Dooku's greatest wins over Kenobi.
Not really. There wasn't really a fight in the sense of open combat. Luke wasnt even trying to attack Kylo. He dropped his hostile intentions and wanted Kylo to stop what he was doing, so not really a successful feat. Your logic is flawed here. The premise upon which you base your argument of Ben beat Luke is false since Ben didn't actually beat Luke. It wasn't a combative situation really, Kylo just collapsed a building on a Luke that didn't need want to hurt Kylo.
1) The point of that part was the specific circumstance. Anakins anger and rage was channeled to boost him up. Which Kylo hasn't demonstrated considering the fact he's always angry and enraged so what we see from him is what we get.
2) Explained above. Kylo did not actually defeat Luke, while Dooku has conclusively defeated Obi Wan and Anakin, both which are better combatants than Kylo.
You mean a weaker incarnation of Obi Wan? Dooku being bale to take on Obi Wan and Anakin together is greater than Mauls feat of taking on Qui Gon and TPM Obi Wan so your point, makes no sense.
We've seen before in characters who attacked a loved one and at didn't in fact decrease their morale but bolster their rage and determination. Anakin in ROTS, his belief that he killed Palme, increased his rage and his drive to kill Obi. Here Kylo felt as if him killing his father was part of his journey to complete darkness.
I never said freeze the FL, I said he wouldn't b able to freeze the Count himself. You saying it's a tremendous feat is all well and good, but my point was to properly show you, as to why that feat won't actually be helpful in combat against Dooku.
Using your logic, Dooku should have easily beaten everyone being trianed by at the time the greatest Jedi Master and Sith Lord of all time in Yoda and Sidious. Still in Snokes words, was betsed by a girl who had never held a lightsaber. Even with all the context taken into account, the fact that Snoke would make a comment like that shows there is no room for error, and in that fight there was no room or should have been any mistakes. Kylo was reckless and impulsive. Again you hold look at the circumstance of that fight.
Explained above.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You still don't know to break down a quote.
Not really. There wasn't really a fight in the sense of open combat. Luke wasnt even trying to attack Kylo. He dropped his hostile intentions and wanted Kylo to stop what he was doing, so not really a successful feat. Your logic is flawed here. The premise upon which you base your argument of Ben beat Luke is false since Ben didn't actually beat Luke. It wasn't a combative situation really, Kylo just collapsed a building on a Luke that didn't need want to hurt Kylo.
Luke had his saber on and reacted to Kylo. He lost. It was successful. Luke managed to survive Vader's attacks while hiding from him in Rotj to later dominating Vader. No,it is since Luke had time to react and lost that quickly. Ben's power and reactions beat Luke rather easily. Vader was unable to even locate him with the force in the same general location and enraged him to the point of laying on his back and losing a hand to Luke. Ben decimated him. Luke didn't want to fight in either situation. Ben won whereas Vader lost.
1) Kylo isn't always enraged. You're lying again. He has a range of emotions just as Anakin does so quit lying. He isn't the Hulk. Dooku angered him and he lost. Blame Dooku for being too stupid to play with fire.
1) The point of that part was the specific circumstance. Anakins anger and rage was channeled to boost him up. Which Kylo hasn't demonstrated considering the fact he's always angry and enraged so what we see from him is what we get.2) Explained above. Kylo did not actually defeat Luke, while Dooku has conclusively defeated Obi Wan and Anakin, both which are better combatants than Kylo.
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2) Ben defeated Luke. That's what happens when you win. He left him for dead. False and speculative. Kylo's style and skills aren't similar to Kenobi's but more so aggressive like Anakin which soundly defeated Dooku. Anakin had half the power and was reckless in aotc. Context.
Dooku lost. He also beat a much weaker Anakin and has Kenobi's number. Maul wasn't defeated skill wise by either in his prime so moot point.You mean a weaker incarnation of Obi Wan? Dooku being bale to take on Obi Wan and Anakin together is greater than Mauls feat of taking on Qui Gon and TPM Obi Wan so your point, makes no sense.
We've seen before in characters who attacked a loved one and at didn't in fact decrease their morale but bolster their rage and determination. Anakin in ROTS, his belief that he killed Palme, increased his rage and his drive to kill Obi. Here Kylo felt as if him killing his father was part of his journey to complete darkness.
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I agree characters can react differently to emotions. Anakin was overconfident and he lost. He underestimated Kenobi's skills and the advantages of the higher ground. Kylo was ripped half and raw as well as injured. That has no bearing here.
I never said freeze the FL, I said he wouldn't b able to freeze the Count himself. You saying it's a tremendous feat is all well and good, but my point was to properly show you, as to why that feat won't actually be helpful in combat against Dooku.
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Snoke values success and results but explained why he lost. The Jedi value growth so they love failure.Snoke wanted his resolve and focus back on track. Once it was he was satisfied with his apprentice.
Using your logic, Dooku should have easily beaten everyone being trianed by at the time the greatest Jedi Master and Sith Lord of all time in Yoda and Sidious. Still in Snokes words, was betsed by a girl who had never held a lightsaber. Even with all the context taken into account, the fact that Snoke would make a comment like that shows there is no room for error, and in that fight there was no room or should have been any mistakes. Kylo was reckless and impulsive. Again you hold look at the circumstance of that fight.Explained above. [/B]
Kylo went into the fight spiritually broken aka not in his ideal mindset. His focus and determination were off hence why he lost. He also was injured as previously stated and tried to convince her to allow him to train her.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You still don't know to break down a quote.Luke had his saber on and reacted to Kylo. He lost. It was successful. Luke managed to survive Vader's attacks while hiding from him in Rotj to later dominating Vader. No,it is since Luke had time to react and lost that quickly. Ben's power and reactions beat Luke rather easily. Vader was unable to even locate him with the force in the same general location and enraged him to the point of laying on his back and losing a hand to Luke. Ben decimated him. Luke didn't want to fight in either situation. Ben won whereas Vader lost.
1) Kylo isn't always enraged. You're lying again. He has a range of emotions just as Anakin does so quit lying. He isn't the Hulk. Dooku angered him and he lost. Blame Dooku for being too stupid to play with fire.
2) Ben defeated Luke. That's what happens when you win. He left him for dead. False and speculative. Kylo's style and skills aren't similar to Kenobi's but more so aggressive like Anakin which soundly defeated Dooku. Anakin had half the power and was reckless in aotc. Context.
Dooku lost. He also beat a much weaker Anakin and has Kenobi's number. Maul wasn't defeated skill wise by either in his prime so moot point.
I agree characters can react differently to emotions. Anakin was overconfident and he lost. He underestimated Kenobi's skills and the advantages of the higher ground. Kylo was ripped half and raw as well as injured. That has no bearing here.
Dooku can't fl him either so who cares about his force feats of the ceiling, etc. since it won't gain him any advantage. 🙂
Snoke values success and results but explained why he lost. The Jedi value growth so they love failure.Snoke wanted his resolve and focus back on track. Once it was he was satisfied with his apprentice.
Kylo went into the fight spiritually broken aka not in his ideal mindset. His focus and determination were off hence why he lost. He also was injured as previously stated and tried to convince her to allow him to train her.
A fight is Anakin vs Obi Wan, Maul vs Jin and Kenobi, Sidious vs Yoda. Those are all actual conclusive fights. What happened between Ren and Luke was not a fight, and it especially is not a substantial feat to say Kylo defeated Luke.
1) You sure about that? Kylo is a ticking time bomb. A range of emotions. Range isn't one or two. Kylo only ever demonstrates emotions related to anger. Sadness, frustration, pain etc. Again you would have to prove that Kylo is on Anakin's level to where he would be able to overpower the Count, and from the material given from the two films with Kylo, he has done nothing to suggests he is on or above Anakin's level.
2) Explained above.
Again Dooku lost to a boosted Kenobi. Nick Guillard in the ROTS commentary I believe, says that in that moment Anakin elevated to a level 9 while Dooku is a level 8, showing that there was a dramatic change. Ignoring the context stops you from seeing the fool picture. So that brings us back to the point on you, for proving that Kylo is at or above Anakin's level which is what it would take to defeat Dooku. Also, your point about Maul not being defeated skill wise doesn't matter as the feats between he and Dooku as per the movies only, Dooku hasn't better feats. Dooku defeated a stronger Kenobi than Maul did, he defeated Anakin in AOTC and performed admirably in ROTS. All of that surpasses Maul which is the point. However this isn't a Dooku vs Maul debate, we have already had that debate before.
Yea it does have bearing here, as we see in similar circumstances what that can do to a combatant.
Wouldn't say Dooku can't fl Kylo. Anyone can block Dooku's fl doesn't mean that the will everytime. Dooku is a very intelligent fighter, and an expert at chaining in force attacks into his lightsaber sequences, so it is entirely possible that Kylo could be hit by fl.
😂 😂 We did watch the same film right? That wasn't Snoke just explaining how he lost, that was Snoke ripping into him, as to why he shouldn't have lost in the first place.
So would you say Kylo is going into this fight broken? Cause nothing has changed. He stilled killed his father, he has lost his mother, he is still in the same mindset he had at the end of TLJ. So would you say Kylo is going into this fight broken as well?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Vader vs. Luke in Rotj was also a fight. Luke didn't want to fight and Vader was unable to best him. Kylo bested him in a few moves. Your denial of the obvious and the double standards doesn't excuse you from the facts.
A fight is Anakin vs Obi Wan, Maul vs Jin and Kenobi, Sidious vs Yoda. Those are all actual conclusive fights. What happened between Ren and Luke was not a fight, and it especially is not a substantial feat to say Kylo defeated Luke.
He has every single emotion but chooses to deal with things through focused anger and determination. Kylo is a darksider so they clearly focus on the darker emotions. He's better than Anakin since he did what Anakin was able to do was defeat a fully trained Luke Skywalker. Dooku isn't Luke Skywalker, kid.
1) You sure about that? Kylo is a ticking time bomb. A range of emotions. Range isn't one or two. Kylo only ever demonstrates emotions related to anger. Sadness, frustration, pain etc. Again you would have to prove that Kylo is on Anakin's level to where he would be able to overpower the Count, and from the material given from the two films with Kylo, he has done nothing to suggests he is on or above Anakin's level. [/B]
Not at all. Your reasoning is entirely based off your opinion not the overall standings in the Star Wars universe.
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Maul fought against Kenobi multiple times in AOTC and fared better than Kenobi so once again you're wrong. Maul didn't just fight Kenobi one time and he later met up with a more seasoned Kenobi. Anakin's power doubled since AOTC so that's a huge gap in power for the second film. We see he utterly decimates Dooku in rots and very quickly. Kenobi fought him for a much longer time period and came out on top. So don't act like Dooku had a great showing when a weaker Jedi lasted longer and came out on top. Dooku got stomped.Again Dooku lost to a boosted Kenobi. Nick Guillard in the ROTS commentary I believe, says that in that moment Anakin elevated to a level 9 while Dooku is a level 8, showing that there was a dramatic change. Ignoring the context stops you from seeing the fool picture. So that brings us back to the point on you, for proving that Kylo is at or above Anakin's level which is what it would take to defeat Dooku. Also, your point about Maul not being defeated skill wise doesn't matter as the feats between he and Dooku as per the movies only, Dooku hasn't better feats. Dooku defeated a stronger Kenobi than Maul did, he defeated Anakin in AOTC and performed admirably in ROTS. All of that surpasses Maul which is the point. However this isn't a Dooku vs Maul debate, we have already had that debate before.
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Dooku never caught any half decent Jedi off guard with his fl. Sorry but those are the breaks.Yea it does have bearing here, as we see in similar circumstances what that can do to a combatant.
Wouldn't say Dooku can't fl Kylo. Anyone can block Dooku's fl doesn't mean that the will everytime. Dooku is a very intelligent fighter, and an expert at chaining in force attacks into his lightsaber sequences, so it is entirely possible that Kylo could be hit by fl.
😂 😂 We did watch the same film right? That wasn't Snoke just explaining how he lost, that was Snoke ripping into him, as to why he shouldn't have lost in the first place.
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What the hell are you even responding to ? You don't even break the quote down. Learn the **** how you moron.
He didn't just kill his father. It isn't directly after so he's processed the information and dealt with it. The day you kill your father and the moment after you might have some shit on your mind but he's processed it. He's moved on. He is focused again as per Snoke. Watch the ****ing movie again.
So would you say Kylo is going into this fight broken? Cause nothing has changed. He stilled killed his father, he has lost his mother, he is still in the same mindset he had at the end of TLJ. So would you say Kylo is going into this fight broken as well? [/B]
He wasn't broken at the end of the film he was just pissed. There's a difference, kid.